Don’t Call it a Tramp Stamp: the way the Patriarchy Ruined My Tattoo
posted by josher71 (504 responses total)38 users marked this as a well liked There's no comparable phrase for men, no flip expression for the thing Nick Lachey has encircling their bicep even though it's equally emblematic associated with early 2000s.

I am perhaps not trying to say this undermines the authoress' larger argument, however it is understood simply as a «tribal tattoo» (if not simply a «tribal») and it's really social associations are in a way that no longer demeaning term becomes necessary. That is because it's one unified tribe who gets those tattoos, and it's really the tribe of Douchebag Bros. It might be this 1 has aged out of that tribe now, nevertheless the bearer was absolutely inside at one point.
posted by Poppa Bear at 7:12 AM on May 13, 2015 [70 favorites]

I have seen a couple of men with precisely those types of lower back tattoos, and it is constantly interesting because of exactly how gender coded that location is.

That she's got been designed to feel bad about this from all misogynistic jokes is unfortunate, though.
posted by Dip Flash at 7:14 have always been on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Or the countless tattoos of Chinese/Japanese letters, frequently representing a notion not exactly just what the recipient had in your mind.
posted by PenDevil at 7:14 have always been on May 13, 2015 [4 favorites]No, it still gets the exact same «meathead dudebro» relationship it did in the early 2000s.
posted by Sangermaine at 7:14 have always been on May 13, 2015Thereis no equivalent phrase for males, no flip phrase the thing Nick Lachey has encircling his bicep even though it's equally emblematic regarding the early 2000s.

Why yes indeed there is: it is called a tribal tat, and it's held in essentially equal disdain by the types of those who tend to hold these types of things in disdain (additionally they hate Nickelback).
posted by Steely-eyed Missile Man at 7:15 AM on 13, 2015 [18 favorites]

Tramp Stamp is a particularly cruel epithet, but it follows the same pattern as a term I experienced. You see, we always have long locks into the back and short locks in front side. And I seemed GOOD. Once I made it happen, it absolutely was way ahead of the audience, also it truly did not have a name. To me it was merely another remove of my generation when it got a name.
Of program cutting my hair ended up being a lot easier than having a tattoo removed.
posted by bitslayer at 7:16 have always been on May 13, 2015 [10 favorites]it's held in pretty much equal disdain by the sorts of individuals who tend to hold these kinds of things in disdain (they also hate Nickelback).

Surely the set of people who disdain Nickelback is bigger than the pair of individuals who disdain tribal tats.
posted by octobersurprise at 7:22 have always been on May 13, 2015 [26 favorites]

Pretty unfortunate, certainly.
posted by fairmettle at 7:22 have always been on 13, 2015I'm having a hell of an occasion finding it, but somebody on twitter tweeted something similar to «tattoos are our more youthful selves' means of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»; i do believe about that concept a lot.
Edit: Found it!
posted by Greg Nog at 7:23 have always been may 13, 2015 [141 favorites]LOL.
If this lady is that embarrassed and frustrated with being judged by the woman one young adult rebellious yet trendy error that is not cool, i cannot wait to read the whining ten years from now as soon as the present crop of rebellious yet trendy sleeve getters are sick and tired of being judged from then on trend dies. I suspect you will see countless rueage.

(Note: We recognize that lots of people just take great pride and joy within their ink. I'm maybe not referring these people. I am referring to the young trendy those who have trendy tattoos because it is stylish just like LBT had been and can dislike them whenever long after the trend dies)
posted by dios at 7:25 have always been on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

Therefore the question stays: Now that i've the means to laser this sucker down, should I? Or would that be folding facing the patriarchy, and erasing a substantial chapter in my own life?

Wow. This is certainly a huge reach. It really is OK not to be myself oppressed. You are able to still worry about issues.
posted by sfkiddo at 7:26 AM on 13, 2015 [15 favorites]

Don’t Call it a Tramp Stamp
Ink's been right here for a long time.
posted by comealongpole at 7:29 have always been may 13, 2015 [87 favorites]The Red Vs. Blue PSA about tattoos just about summed up getting a tattoo for me personally. We acknowledge that I do not hold any belief highly enough to get it permanently etched into my skin. Among my younger buddies, my family and i are odd because we don't have tattoos.
posted by Badgermann at 7:30 have always been on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]The tattoo is a red herring, right here. This phenomena is nearer to slut-shaming than having anything to do with the ink it self. Men get mocked due to their «tribal bro tats,» or their non-English symbolism — «let me guess, it means 'strength' bro?»

From my limited point-of-view, it's more regarding marginalising some one and seizing regarding the tattoo as a reason / focus later. Scrub the tattoo off her spine, and I also wager the critiques could be repackaged and focus on fact you can view an excessive amount of skin, or the clothes are too tight, etc.
posted by black Messiah at 7:30 AM on 13, 2015 [72 favorites]

tattoos are our more youthful selves' way of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity

That's fantastic. We kinda want to get that as a tattoo.
posted by painquale at 7:30 have always been may 13, 2015 [83 favorites]

It is most likely the best thing that We arrived of age during a time whenever just bikers and marines got tattoos. I cannot see myself at that age making almost any good design decisions.
posted by octothorpe at 7:32 have always been may 13, 2015 [12 favorites]Edit: Found it!

[Periodic mild reminder never to use the edit function to add content after the reality; if you are maybe not repairing a typo, just keep an additional remark.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:32 AM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

I think the misogynist trash presented by the writer is trash, but the history and social significance of tattoos in US culture does hold a single, popular tattoo as a signifier of sorts.

There are, to put it simply, tattoo individuals and non-tattoo people at this point inside our tradition. Individuals may have a tattoo or two in conventional or popular areas that tend to be gender-biased in that guys's clothing has a tendency to protect the top of arm, upper body, and other areas a lot more than ladies' clothing would, unless it is rather conservative. Individuals who are «tattoo people» could have these but don't stop here.

Fundamentally these individuals thought that having a tattoo ended up being cool or edgy, got a tattoo to be cool or edgy, and are having buyer's remorse. You'll disguise a lower life expectancy straight back tattoo with a complete straight back piece. You could add some extra tattoos to that particular bad tribal musical organization to have it covered up. The misogynist baggage is wrongheaded and trash, but the symbolism of a youthful venture into «edginess» is pretty on point.
posted by mikeh at 7:33 AM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

This isn't because dragonflies held any deep meaning for me.
It signifies nothing.
These aren't good reasons to possess something permanently affixed.

but having one demurely-placed sign is merely embarrassing
perhaps as it signifies too little dedication?

Although, i am not just one to talk — I never ever believed in such a thing enough to get it tattooed.
posted by the man of twists and turns at 7:33 AM on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

By just how, tramp stamp in German is «Arschgeweih», which translates roughly as «ass antlers.»
posted by sour cream at 7:33 have always been on May 13, 2015 [150 favorites]we dunno, possibly it is a gay thing but I always considered «tramp stamp» a gender neutral term. We'd call any «generic back tattoo» a tramp stamp.
posted by dnash at 7:33 AM may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: i do believe that is why it is critical to put in genuine and severe thought before getting a tattoo. The woman tale is exactly the kind that led lower-back tattoos become disdained — 18-year-old, doing thoughtless rebellion, no genuine link with the tattoo subject except it looks cool, little if any thought to whether she'd nevertheless want it in 10-20 years. I agree totally that the «sluttiness» presumption is unfair, but I happened to be in college into the 90s when these tattoos became popular, plus the stereotype existed because (for me, about) it had been real of a good quantity of the ladies getting those tattoos. I do not know her physically, and truly can't talk about the majority of women with lower-back tattoos — I'm only saying that there clearly was a reason why some stereotypes develop.

And I trust those here whom say that there are dudebro tattoos which are held in comparable disdain.

I've really wished to get a tattoo consistently, but i have been paralyzed by indecision, since it is such a permanent act.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 7:35 AM may 13, 2015 [22 favorites]

I acquired a tattoo, on my arm*. No regrets because I didn't have it in a god damned stupid apparent spot, like my neck or wrist or leg in which individuals would think I seemed pretty god damned stupid.

I seen dudes with tattoos on spine area, in addition they get called tramp stamps too, and mocked for same. I have never ever jumped or seen anyone jump, to conclusions towards sluttiness of a male or feminine about them, it is more about their poor decision making ability.

The greatest tattoo is the worst tattoo by the toughest man. Brock Lesnar's Penis Chest Tattoo. If you do not enjoy it, bang you, he'll tear your supply off.

*an hourglass, to symbolise my unwillingness to allow time pass. It looks slightly like an egg and a little like a bum from a certain angle. I still want it because it designed during the time I became using control of things within my life when a lot of material felt want it had been unmanageable. Finally, FUCK we DAD.
posted by Swandive at 7:37 have always been on May 13, 2015 [14 favorites]

Dark Messiah: I think you've got it backwards. The «patriarchy/slut- shaming» is the red herring. That allegation is starting to reach Maslow's hammer amounts. This is about a 30 one thing regretting and hating being judged by a youthful and forever visible indiscretion. It's not that she is like somebody will think she is a slut if she places on her behalf swimwear. Is individuals will realize that years back she was a foolish immature woman whom observed some ridiculous trend. Your judging has a sexual connotation just isn't the issue. If it had some other negative connotation, this 30 something would be embarrassed to have to be judged by that negative connotation aswell. This is about a grown-up regretting one thing they did as a young child which will be no further appropriate in her present circles. The patriarchy bit is simply a convenient hammer with which to get relief.
posted by dios at 7:38 have always been may 13, 2015 [24 favorites]More body shaming.

Yay.
posted by harrietthespy at 7:39 have always been on May 13, 2015 [21 favorites]

We agree totally that the «sluttiness» assumption is unjust, but I became in college in 90s whenever these tattoos became popular, plus the stereotype existed because (in my experience, at least) it absolutely was true of a reasonable number of the ladies getting those tattoos.

But ended up being it true associated with guys they certainly were sleeping with? I bet it never ever happened to you to ask, or even to label those men, or even to make-up precious rhyming shaming slang about them according to their aesthetic and/or sexual alternatives. I do believe lots of people are lacking the idea of this article. It's about slut-shaming and misogyny. The derision heaped on individuals with tribal tattoos isn't in the same category.
That the judging has a sexual connotation is not the situation.

I am therefore happy you're here to spell out to us all why the author doesn't actually realize why the woman tattoo bothers the lady so much. Initial three paragraphs contain the after words: whore, scarlet page, slut. However know very well what's really bothering her.
posted by Mavri at 7:42 AM on 13, 2015 [168 favorites]

It is not that she feels like someone will think she actually is a slut if she places on her swimwear.

That's literally the complete fucking premise of article
posted by Greg Nog at 7:43 have always been on 13, 2015 [126 favorites]

Please, tell us more about how exactly women are perceiving sexism incorrectly.
posted by almostmanda at 7:44 AM on May 13, 2015 [167 favorites]«tattoos are our younger selves' method of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»

Tattoos became popular with the cohort who happen children of those whom came into adulthood in the late-60s/early-70s. Wonder if this more permanent commitment to youthful ideals moves from having moms and dads whom may be seen by kids to have abandoned all that nostalgically romanticized flower-power for worrying all about mortgages.
posted by TimTypeZed at 7:47 have always been may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Yeah, i'm like dios is wholly missing the idea in that she clearly mentions a guy who has a huge Sublime tattoo between his neck (*shudder*) in which he can shrug it well as a reminder of as he was a «badass.»

She will be able to shrug this down, too.
posted by mikeh at 7:47 AM on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

Semiotics. I'm not necessarily certain what that word means but I am convinced that in the event that you have actually a picture of a dragonfly tattooed over the cleavage of one's ass having its phallic, patriachal abdoment pointing straight down in the middle of your cheeks it really is sending out a vibe whoever content is partly entomological and partly sexual. It isn't an arrow but it is additionally not perhaps not an arrow. It doesn't make the owners tramps but it does signify the owners are stuck sending out these vibes even though they truly are attempting to unblock the sink in center age. See also, middle-aged individual with tribal tattoo adorning a once muscular bicep, neglecting to carry a mattress down a flight of stairs singe-handedly.
posted by Brian Lux at 7:47 have always been on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]«Ass Antlers»
posted by Nevin at 7:48 AM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]we concur that the «sluttiness» assumption is unfair, but I was in college into the 90s when these tattoos became popular, as well as the label existed because (for me, about) it was real of a reasonable range the women getting those tattoos.

How had been it “true” that somebody had been slutty? Which are the qualifications? Whom determined and proved this, that didn’t are interested in shaming the person included?
posted by griphus at 7:48 AM on 13, 2015 [97 favorites]

But ended up being it also true of men these were resting with? We bet it never ever occurred to you to ask, or even to label those men, or even to constitute adorable rhyming shaming slang about them considering their visual and/or sexual choices. I do believe a lot of people are missing the point of this article. It's about slut-shaming and misogyny. The derision heaped on people with tribal tattoos isn't in identical category.

Well certain, that extends to a larger point that feminine promiscuity is recognized as «bad» and male promiscuity is recognized as «good». No denying that.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 7:50 AM may 13, 2015

it is strange exactly how some are arguing against the woman problem being misogyny and slut shaming when there is misogynistic slut shaming in this really thread. this resurgence of dudes simply telling united states just how it is and what sexual jobs they think an author of an item might like is unsettling.
posted by nadawi at 7:51 AM on 13, 2015 [96 favorites]Ah, the tramp stamp, also known as the «respect-me-not.»

There's a plot point in one of the seasons of Californication in which Charlie Runkle, Hank's representative, gets drunk and gets a tramp stamp.

For what it is worth, I think tribal tattoos, shoulder-covering macho tattoos worn by guys whom work hard at being buff, neck tattoos on either intercourse, are only as disgusting as tramp stamps. The intimate association of the tramp stamp, we thought, came from the (reasonable) presumption it is supposed to be valued by intercourse lovers within the doggy design position and that tramp stamps always be seemingly worn by ladies of reduced socioeconomic status whom fit a particular (cruel, but recognizable) profile.

It's not good, but usually individuals aren't nice.
posted by jayder at 7:52 AM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

I think about a person with a huge Sublime tattoo on their back nevertheless a badass.
posted by Drinky Die at 7:52 AM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]My buddy M., who's as middle income as you're able to get and has no tatoo whatsoever, as soon as commented, out of nowhere, that she had been thinking of getting a lower straight back tat saying «Did you make every effort to take out the trash?».

Now, *that* is middle-class punk for you personally.

We thought this might be good destination to drop this anecdote, is all.
posted by kandinski at 7:52 AM on May 13, 2015 [86 favorites]

For what it is worth, i do believe tribal tattoos, shoulder-covering macho tattoos worn by guys whom strive at being buff, throat tattoos on either intercourse, are only since disgusting as tramp stamps. The intimate relationship associated with the tramp stamp, I thought, originated in the (reasonable) presumption it is supposed to be appreciated by intercourse partners inside doggy style position which tramp stamps constantly be seemingly used by females of reduced socioeconomic status who fit a certain (cruel, but identifiable) profile.

It's not good, but frequently people aren't good.

Community may not be good, however you must certanly be nice. Enough good people make an excellent culture.
posted by JDHarper at 7:54 AM on 13, 2015 [102 favorites]

The sexual relationship for the tramp stamp, we thought, came from the (reasonable) assumption that it is supposed to be appreciated by sex lovers into the doggy design position

Perish the idea your girl thought it seemed adorable, plainly she just thinks of this male look because everything ladies do is in the solution of men.
posted by sukeban at 7:54 AM on 13, 2015 [138 favorites]

How had been it “true” that some body was slutty? Which are the qualifications? Who determined and proved this, that didn’t have an interest in shaming anyone involved?

I can only just inform you my own experience — we knew girls in university who got lower-back tattoos as rebellious functions, drank a whole lot, and had some casual intercourse, and I also understand this because I either witnessed it or they explained. I do not think of them as «slutty», with no one at that time appeared to be shaming them for this, that i really could see. My point is 18-year-olds (gents and ladies) sometimes make thoughtless decisions — I am no exception. But while many early decisions is changed or hidden, a tattoo is not so easy.

Become clear, I do not disagree with the larger point of the article that slut-shaming and misogyny are Bad Things.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 7:55 have always been may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Jesus Christ. Here is the dark super unfun form of the White Male Books thread.
posted by kmz at 7:56 AM on 13, 2015 [97 favorites]...came from the (fair) assumption it is meant to be valued by intercourse lovers within the doggy design position...

How usually by any means a fair assumption?

Like I am somebody who is lightly tattooed and whom spends a lot of time with greatly tattooed individuals (my wife included) and it's really simply absolutely absurd that «location of tattoo» and «sexual preference/proclivity» are thought to have a rational, rational website link involving the two, instead of a web link based totally on slut-shaming and judgment.
posted by griphus at 7:56 have always been may 13, 2015 [63 favorites]

I do not think the woman argument is amazing, either, nevertheless the differentiation of regret for a tattoo and annoyance that culture makes a number of weird sexualized presumptions in regards to you based on a relatively-common tattoo for females whom came of age around a particular time is worthy of consideration.
posted by mikeh at 7:56 have always been may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]And needless to say ladies making love is significantly diffent from men making love because REASONS, also SLUTS.
posted by sukeban at 7:56 AM on 13, 2015 [18 favorites]To be clear, I don't disagree with all the larger point of this article that slut-shaming and misogyny are Bad Things.

Then why do you retain chiming into inform us about promiscuous girls you knew? The fact you claim to imagine is a «bad thing?» You're the following carrying it out.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 7:58 have always been on May 13, 2015 [36 favorites]

I will be not a tattoo man — anyway — and simply do not get the inspiration folks have to get them. But that is okay; it's one of many, numerous things in life that aren't my bag but attract millions of others and maybe which makes me personally the strange one.

Every generation needs unique option to be Young and crazy and Untamed and Rebellious and Visibly be noticed from the Old People and Squares who'll shake their minds ruefully and weep for future years. Often it's dress designs, often it's hairstyle and/or size, sometimes it's real human anatomy adjustments like tattoos and piercings and whatever the christ children are doing for their earlobes nowadays. Luckily, youthful rebellion typically comes in prepackaged standardized platforms and styles; no fitness center teacher could get as numerous kids to dress alike as Hot Topic can, to bastardize a Jello Biafra estimate.

Or even to further quote Jello:

Tattoos, piercings / That's for parents / everything you wanna do / Is invest your allowance
On devil horn implants / Elephant guy mind / Designer tails / 3rd leg, fourth leg / every person a hermaphrodite!
posted by delfin at 7:58 have always been on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

«It's not a misogynistic term because it’s likely she to be real a slut!» isn't the slam-dunk you would imagine it's.
posted by almostmanda at 7:58 AM on 13, 2015 [169 favorites]I hate the phrase 'tramp stamp' plus the negative slut-shaming connotations it conveys. I have a tattoo within the 'tramp-stamp' area; oahu is the insignia of a feminist secret society which was started at my alma mater 100+ years ago. I place it there deliberately as a subtle option to say «Fuck the patriarchy».
posted by chara at 7:59 have always been may 13, 2015 [66 favorites][few commentary eliminated. Let's skip (a) speculation about a stranger's intimate predilections and (b) doubling down sarcastically when individuals disagree with your hot switch undertake what mcdougal actually believes.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 7:59 AM on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]i am talking about, can you consider a male tattoo that might be instantly sexualized, unless it absolutely was particularly on the dick?

The ass antlers tattoo on males gets sexualized but in a very «hah hah, that is gay» way if it is on straight guys, and so I do not think that basically counts.
posted by mikeh at 7:59 have always been on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Perish the idea that the girl thought it looked precious, obviously she just believes associated with the male gaze because every thing ladies do is in the service of men.

who stated anything about men?

anyhow, it's demonstrably designed for somebody else's gaze, considering that the person putting on it cannot notice it without help.
posted by jayder at 7:59 have always been on May 13, 2015 [12 favorites]

If a lady is intimately active, she deserves to be called a tramp? Stop shaming females.

Let us stop shaming males for getting tattoos we disapprove of, too.

Great article, thanks for posting.
posted by theora55 at 8:00 have always been on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

The psychological gymnastics required to hand-wave away one thing in fact containing pejorative slang about a woman's intercourse vis-a-vis the lady worth in culture as both perhaps not misogynist and just as bad as a gender-neutral term is worthy of the goddamn Olympics.
posted by zombieflanders at 8:00 AM may 13, 2015 [54 favorites]when all of a female is seen as sexualized for male attention, there is absolutely no section of united states that people can claim for our very own. the a reaction to the low back tattoo is just an indicator. this thread can be an excellent course in exactly how classism influences slut shaming.
posted by nadawi at 8:01 AM on May 13, 2015 [73 favorites]anyway, it's clearly intended for another person's look, because the person using it cannot view it without assistance.

Why can there be an assumption that any tattoo anyone with that tattoo cannot see is inherently meant for someone else?
posted by griphus at 8:02 have always been on May 13, 2015 [21 favorites]

Then how come you keep chiming directly into reveal about promiscuous girls you knew? The fact you claim to believe is a «bad thing?» You're right here doing it.

You can not start to see the difference between «we knew young women who'd some casual sex» and «we knew women who have been whores because they had lots of casual sex»?

Hell, I would personally've liked to own more casual intercourse at that time.

The point is, We marked my first post «devil's advocate» comprehending that it absolutely was a controversial place to simply take. In reviewing the discussion ever since then, I'm able to see that i am verging on Mansplaining, that I really don't might like to do. So I'm going to shut up now. :-)
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 8:02 AM may 13, 2015

After all, again, it's just really, actually strange that «tattoos on a human anatomy are for some one else» may be the standard presumption people go to, versus «tattoos on a human body have reasons for being there that you are perhaps not at this time privy to.»
posted by griphus at 8:03 have always been on May 13, 2015 [24 favorites]After all, are you able to think of a male tattoo that might be straight away sexualized, unless it absolutely was specifically on their dick?

A giant «DANGER ZONE» over the upper body with an arrow pointing to their crotch?
posted by Sangermaine at 8:04 AM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

...came from the (fair) assumption that it is supposed to be appreciated by intercourse lovers in the doggy style place...

So someone with a tattoo on her behalf forehead actually likes missionary intercourse?
posted by Mavri at 8:04 AM on May 13, 2015 [24 favorites]

the devil has sufficient advocates — why are men constantly registering doing the task in threads like these? we can do without your hot provides about women and their intimate alternatives, specially when you're simply inferring those choices in relation to some ink (which will be the whole goddamn point regarding the article).
posted by nadawi at 8:04 have always been on 13, 2015 [109 favorites]we felt bad that she was so troubled by this, and discovered myself being type of judgmental of the girl in my own head, even though I am a middle-aged girl with several tattoos myself, one only a little blue crescent moon on my wrist, that I have not regretted whilst still being like, but which will be certainly scarcely encouraged or deeply meaningful. It's petty of me personally, because We truly know the pressures women experience, but I want her to just be all like, «Yep, got a tattoo back in your day, so what?» and acquire busy skinny-dipping, and I also'm sorry that isn't what's occurred for her.

I always optimistically thought that tattoos becoming stylish meant that everybody would turn into middle-aged people who have tribal arm bands and dragonflies on their lower backs together, and completely maybe not care about it. I will have understood better.
posted by not that girl at 8:04 have always been on May 13, 2015 [18 favorites]

anyhow, it is clearly designed for someone else's look, considering that the individual wearing it cannot see it without support.

The composer of the article says it is not. You think females cannot possess unique skin and mark their bodies perhaps not since they like art but for the advantage of their penetrators is appalling.
posted by sukeban at 8:05 have always been on May 13, 2015 [34 favorites]

Therefore somebody with a tattoo on her forehead actually likes missionary sex?

Best fellator/ fellatrix/ cunnilinguist worldwide, they've been.
posted by sukeban at 8:07 AM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

You realize, we hardly ever really considered «tramp stamp» as having any such thing to say concerning the sexual mores of the individual showing a tattoo at that location. I've thought it absolutely was coined across the time backlash began against the ubiquity of the tattoo location began, and became popular mainly as it rhymed, had been regarded as clever and because they were frequently seen on women who have been using their jeans or skirt exceptionally low on hips in order to display the ink. I do believe of «tramp stamp»the same manner i may think about the expression «bro glow» getting used to explain a trend among weight-lifting/chest-shaving types of getting tattoos in fluorescent ink.
posted by slkinsey at 8:08 have always been on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]You cannot understand distinction between «We knew women that has lots of casual sex» and «I knew young women who have been whores since they had a lot of casual sex»?

Your first post in this thread said «the stereotype existed because (I think, at the least) it was true of a reasonable amount of the ladies getting those tattoos.» You may have meant that to learn such as your first example, however it really reads such as the 2nd, ie the label of sluts getting these tattoos existed because sluts got these tattoos.
posted by Mavri at 8:08 have always been may 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

painquale: "tattoos are our younger selves' way of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity

that is fantastic. I kinda would like to get that as a tattoo."

Only if you had been younger.
posted by boo_radley at 8:08 have always been may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

I am about retiring the phrase «tramp stamp» in support of «ass antlers» now.
posted by Kadin2048 at 8:08 have always been may 13, 2015 [16 favorites]anyway, it is clearly meant for another person's gaze, considering that the individual putting on it cannot see it without support.

I cannot see my cups without support. I could not see the straight back of my wedding dress without assistance. I can't start to see the straight back of my many souvenir battle t-shirts without assistance.

Yet, the overwhelming impetuous for putting on a few of these things had been «we wear these exact things because they make me personally feel great, and I also think I look good in them». Yes, there's yet another "...And i believe that somebody else will think something about them/me when I'm putting on them", but that's not always the actual only real, if not primary reason for wearing those ideas.
posted by damayanti at 8:09 have always been on May 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

We when had written toward composer of a favorite (mostly feminist!) webcomic about his utilization of the term 'tramp stamp', that I felt was super misogynistic. I acquired an answer from his girlfriend (IIRC) exactly how incorrect I became and about how it absolutely wasn't misogynistic anyway.

I becamen't impressed by that argument then and I also'm perhaps not now.

Equating just what a lady sets on her body-- whether it's makeup products, clothes, tattoos, piercings, anything-- with what she does with her human body is misogynistic. Period. I can not genuinely believe that folks are protecting it here. Could you defend some one calling some one slutty for wearing a brief dress or for putting on red lipstick? Then why defend some body literally calling somebody a 'tramp' for having a piece of artwork on their human anatomy?
posted by matcha action at 8:10 AM on 13, 2015 [41 favorites]

Very first post inside thread said «the label existed because (I think, at the least) it had been real of a fair number of the ladies getting those tattoos.» You could have meant that to read like your very first instance, nonetheless it really checks out like the second, ie the stereotype of sluts getting these tattoos existed because sluts got these tattoos.

Acknowledged, thanks. That has been perhaps not my intention.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 8:12 have always been on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

If this lady is that embarrassed and frustrated with being judged by the woman one young adult rebellious yet stylish mistake that's not cool, i can not wait to learn the whining a decade from now if the current crop of rebellious yet fashionable sleeve getters are tired of being judged afterwards trend dies

Well, the point is form of that the «tramp stamp» is becoming a marker of being slutty and fundamental, not just being young and silly. The guy using the foolish Sublime tattoo still likes their, though it's outmoded, since it reminds him to be young and cool.

That the judging has an intimate connotation just isn't the problem

I believe that is simply simple incorrect. Intimate demeanment is very nasty. Having a butterfly ankle tattoo is dorky, but having a dragonfly tramp stamp is «lol, the aging process slut.» You have more sting. In the most common of people, anyhow.

That is why «tribal tattoo» may be a marker that sophisticates used to make fun of aging wannabe-cool bros, but «tramp stamp» is really what those sophisticates AND wannabe-cool bros (such bro films as Wedding Crashers) used to make fun of females who're slutty and today, because the trend has ended and they are the aging process, unattractively so.
posted by easter queen at 8:12 have always been on May 13, 2015 [24 favorites]

For just what it is well worth, i believe tribal tattoos, shoulder-covering macho tattoos used by dudes who strive at being buff, throat tattoos on either sex, are only because disgusting as tramp stamps.

For just what it is worth, we doubt anybody provides a fuck that which you think is disgusting about their bodies.

I'm tattooed as Hell, and I also get a good little bit of judgment because of it often times. I am a dude, though, so it's constantly read totally differently: I am judged as someone who has dark secrets and an edge that most people under 50 think is cool. That's not how females with tattoos are judged, at all. To deny that 'tramp stamp' has at its core patriarchal and oppressive attitudes is merely silly. What, you think the 'tramp' refers to despair era hobos, have been of course known worldwide to prefer dragonfly tattoos on the lower backs?
posted by still bill at 8:13 AM may 13, 2015 [77 favorites]

The patriarchy couldn't ruin your tattoo. The entire world need not praise and applaud your thinking or actions. People do not need to indulge your own personal narrative.

When they believe it is a tramp stamp, they've the right. If you don't believe that it is a tramp stamp, you've got the same right, in the same way I have the best to believe nothing shows the phrase about a fool and the woman money more than getting one anywhere on your individual. People flip if you find a small dent on the car, but get stuff scribbled on the figures, but hey, whatever sanctioned insanity floats your ship.

You bought in to the patriarchy and seriously thought life ended up being an ABC Afterschool Special. The Girl utilizing the Funny Tattoo is People, Too: the tale of a young girl whom gets a tattoo, but rather of creating the lady look instantly sexy, edgy, with it, and cool, some smelly guys with way too much leisure time on the arms who've no concept how to proceed in a democracy make fun of her. The woman spunky closest friend provides her a pep talk, and she writes a powerfully worded essay/victim impact statement and changes every person's head! Yay!

Please stop the patriarchy-fuelled fantasy before my estrogen gets unleashed.

The patriarchy couldn't ruin your tattoo: your insecurity, requirement for universal validation, and complete and willful lack of knowledge did it for you.

Stop whining, grow a pair of ovaries, and deal with truth: liberation originates from self-esteem, maybe not obsession with applause or inexpensive DIY sophistry and propaganda. Next!
posted by Alexandra Kitty at 8:13 have always been on May 13, 2015 [80 favorites]

Okay, I'll acknowledge it: i've a lower life expectancy straight back tattoo. I acquired it within the 12 months 2000. I happened to be 20 (perhaps just 21? I do not keep in mind the exact date) which is culturally appropriative, that has been something I didn't understand at the time due to the stunning ignorant privilege of my entire life compared to that time. In addition did then, and does now, stand as a reminder and a promise to myself about an important improvement in my entire life that I made at that time, have actually held my dedication to through each one of these years, and have always been proud of myself for then and now. I do not keep in mind it is here a lot of the time, but when I view it into the mirror or brush my give it, I remember once more that We made a hard change that was crucial that you my mental and real well-being, that doing the thing used to do was pretty fucking radical for a 20-year-old woman, and that girl failed to know how great she was, and I also want I could tell her therefore. I'd a reasonably brand new intimate partner at that time; 15 years later, we are still together, as well as the only others who've heard of tat would be the periodic doctor or therapeutic massage specialist, and each occasionally an individual who notices it if my top trips up or something. Folks are generally speaking extremely amazed; I don't hit them as a tattoo individual. I like that element of surprise; it amuses me personally to upend objectives a little. We additionally can't stand showing the tattoo intentionally as the social appropriation embarrasses me personally now.

So, there are many stuff confused for me in that tattoo. It claims zero about my intimate history but a great deal about who I became at 20 with techniques both bad and the good. I do not think it's completely a bad thing to remind myself of both of those edges of the person We was previously.

If it had been visible to more individuals, i might own it eliminated specifically due to the appropriation piece of it — I have reached an understanding of the for myself but wouldn't desire to be flaunting it at others. As it is...eh. I am prone to do a cover-up piece someday, to incorporate the thing that was here versus trying to erase it. The place it self gives me zero concern because just what also may be the point of having older if you cannot offer less and fewer fucks what randos on road might secretly be judging you for?
posted by Stacey at 8:13 AM on May 13, 2015 [28 favorites]

I was actually confused the first time I saw one of these simple and it was not of Charlie Chaplin.
posted by echocollate at 8:14 AM may 13, 2015 [16 favorites]As for the skank flank mentioned within the article, that's a bullshit nickname and will fail. The tattoo it defines is still a trend and it's really too quickly for backlash about it. It will not stick. It really is a hack laugh.

She's ashamed she went set for a trend that had no real, lasting importance to the girl. We'd wager that 'tramp stamps' comes back around as cool someday. Meanwhile, If only she could just have that tattoo like a boss. If it looks good it looks good. Bang the haters.
posted by GrapeApiary at 8:16 have always been may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

I have (had*) a dated, clearly-of-the-90s tattoo. Nonetheless it ended up being on my supply therefore whilst it had some measurement of embarrassment attached to it, there were NO intimate connotations and therefore I didn't really care that much about whether people saw it. And I also did not feel like individuals judged my intimate proclivities centered on it, partly because although i will be a female the tattoo itself was less gender-coded. If you cannot start to see the difference between that and what this writer experiences, I do not understand what to say. Easily had a tattoo on my spine We positively would have the identical to she does.

And also the name as coined, «tramp stamp» might have expressed «annoyance» over trend ubiquity but society yes picked a misogynistic option to show simple annoyance.

anyway, it is demonstrably designed for someone else's look, since the individual wearing it cannot see it without assistance.
Mirrors occur. I worry about how the straight back of my clothing looks if you ask me, how the back of my hair appears to me, why would not I worry about just how my skin appears if you ask me, whether or not I need «assistance» to view it?

*I theoretically still have the tattoo, i suppose, but it is covered with a much larger, prettier one. Element of which will be on my back and I cannot see without support. The cover-up has just as small importance due to the fact initial one, but i am fine with «beautiful art on my body» being enough significance.
posted by misskaz at 8:17 have always been may 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

If only I had one thing more smart to state concerning this, but all I'm able to develop is:

People should fucking stop being therefore fucking shitty about other people's fucking systems.
posted by maxsparber at 8:18 have always been on 13, 2015 [68 favorites]

As a guy who doesn't find tattoos attractive, i believe it is great a large number of females have actually tattoos. It is a good reminder that her human body doesn't exist for my enjoyment.

I wish we're able to use that more generally speaking. In the place of making fun of some guy's mullet or some lady's yoga jeans or an individual's human body this is the incorrect shape, once you see some one whoever appearance does not please you, remind your self, «Oh yeah, they don't exist for my satisfaction.»
posted by straight at 8:18 AM on May 13, 2015 [82 favorites]

I have back tattoos.

They are not designed to signal my choice for a particular sexual place. Usually i really do that with terms, such as for example «Hey, person I am currently about to have intercourse with, I prefer this particular place. Thanks for asking!» We find that tends to be less confusing.

They are not designed for the admiration of other people. I obtained them because i like having them. It might happen a tremendously strange choice indeed getting permanent human anatomy art if that have been not the case.

I hope this clears up any confusion.

Also, what the hell.
posted by kyrademon at 8:19 have always been may 13, 2015 [92 favorites]

In place of making fun of some dude's mullet

let us maybe not get caught up here.
posted by josher71 at 8:20 AM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

Possibly of note, my partner, male, has also an individual tattoo. It's on top of their leg; unless he suddenly takes to putting on quick shorts, he's much like me in that nobody understands it is there but me personally and doctors. It is of Beastie, the BSD Daemon logo design, specifically a late-90s version of him.

I think it's hilarious and precious and awesomely old-school-nerdy and I also certainly not think he should really be ashamed from it. But, I'm just saying, he has a tattoo in a placement you basically would not see unless he is pantsless or in a skimpy bathing trunk, and that is really very dated. No one would you learn about it really is available making assumptions about their sex-life with this, towards the best of my knowledge. I really could produce a couple of various theories about any of it, but one of them, is without a doubt, he's a dude, plain and simple.
posted by Stacey at 8:21 have always been on 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

I am judged as somebody who has dark secrets and a benefit that a lot of people under 50 think is cool. That is not exactly how women with tattoos are judged, at all.

We, for just one, don't judge males with tattoos any in a different way from females.

We suspect you don't have an accurate perception of how you are judged, because most people aren't letting you know. Many individuals, i am afraid, would judge you as a conformist whom thinks you should buy your advantage in a tattoo parlor. I do not understand why you might think plenty of tattoos implies «dark secrets» and «edge.» People slavishly riding a trend generally speaking would be the least edgy or interesting people we meet, FWIW. Perchance you're different, though.
posted by jayder at 8:22 AM may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

Men and women have free will and may assume other people are sluts, which is bad bad bad, centered on a negative tattoo?

Real hot simply take there, Alexandra Kitty
posted by mikeh at 8:23 AM on 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

«tattoos are our younger selves' way of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»

Certainly explains why i have procrastinated for 30 yrs in having the letters «DNR» inked on my chest.
posted by klarck at 8:24 have always been on 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

People slavishly riding a trend generally will be the least edgy or interesting individuals we meet, FWIW.

It's not necessarily other's jobs to persuade you that they're worthy of your interest.
posted by maxsparber at 8:24 have always been may 13, 2015 [40 favorites]

Great essay, though it did notify me that although we never got a tramp stamp I do, actually, have a «skank flank.» Ew. Community.

I only narrowly avoided getting a tramp stamp, two times, in fact. My first tattoo ended up being a moon and stars on my shoulder, and I would definitely get a big LBT of a firefly then again my grandfather passed away and I made a decision to obtain the silent service dolphins as a chest piece instead. That piece has exploded throughout the years--early on, it just covered my collarbones, though now it reaches toward top of my breasts. Men have not failed to treat its existence as an invitation to ogle. I also get countless questions about nipple piercings (I don't even have my ears pierced). Years later on, I happened to be likely to get a belt piece of peony plants however the musician thought it would look better vertical--it reaches from my ribs to my top leg. People hardly ever notice it, which can be strange since it's my biggest piece.

I thought a lot over the years about why i obtained and like tattoos. Element of it absolutely was that i prefer bright colors and element of it is the stories behind specific tattoos and element of it was that when I came old, it had been exactly what uncommon girls did, along with using holga pictures and cutting their hair.

But, more, it certainly is seemed ways to simply take ownership over my own flesh. Because there is so much about a woman's human anatomy that feels and it is beyond your control. You occur the gaze of other people, plus human anatomy changes therefore not belongs for you, therefore marking it, with pictures you love, is a method to reclaim it. You could enjoy it, however it in fact exists for me, as a way to mark and alter and possess. Nursing was comparable, actually. My breasts are not yours to check out. They have been mine for me personally to utilize just how I want.

If that produces me skanky, then whatever.
posted by PhoBWanKenobi at 8:25 AM may 13, 2015 [77 favorites]

One of many things we discover that i am enjoying more about getting older is the gradual realization that a lot of folks are so wrapped up in their own personal insecurities and drama they've been unable to care the way in which we accustomed assume they did.

Its not that I don't care what individuals think, its that I recognized that a lot of individuals do not have the psychological power to authentically care, and that their fleeting judgement does not have any bearing on my reality.

I'm perhaps not saying the sophomoric Vince Vaughn crowd are not assholes. As opposed to attributing the truth that you have a trendy tattoo inside nineties and they aren't feeling it anymore to patriarchal oppression, own it and understand that pretty much no body cares about your ancient ass antlers.
posted by JimmyJames at 8:25 have always been may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

Yesterday I decided to, as my next one, get a large tattoo across my stomach and now, because of this thread, i must say i, actually hope that when I just take my top faraway from the period on people will assume that I adore cake because i've a tattoo on my increasingly protruding gut.

After all it creates roughly just as much feeling as tying 'liking intercourse' to a lower straight back tattoo.
posted by griphus at 8:25 AM on May 13, 2015 [19 favorites]

please let me know it is a stomach tattoo of Krang
posted by cortex at 8:28 have always been on 13, 2015 [56 favorites]My question is exactly how she arrived at the conclusion that it was guys whom began the trend of calling them tramp stamps. While it does rhyme well, in my experience «tramp» just isn't historically a pejorative that males use to describe ladies — that's a women explaining other women word.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 8:28 AM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Tough crowd. Can't wait for Toad the Wet Sprocket's music to return however you like, for various reasons.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 8:28 have always been may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]let us stop shaming males for getting tattoos we disapprove of, too.

Not shaming but be mindful if you should be hoping to get a tattoo of tall outline letters on your own neck because there is this courier guy that comes into my workplace plus the first couple of times we saw him we thought he was a 20-year-old with a wrinkly old guy neck.
posted by Hoopo at 8:29 AM may 13, 2015

OMG NOW I WOULD LIKE A BELLY TATTOO OF KRANG
posted by nadawi at 8:29 have always been on 13, 2015 [10 favorites], own it and understand that nearly no one cares about your ancient ass antlers.

Perhaps you have got maybe not had the ability of having the body policed for your whole life, commented on every time you leave your home, regarded as on display for male approval or disapproval at all times, and been judged by strangers on a near-constant basis, but i could ensure you, women do have this experience. Maybe rather than ladies in some way «owning» that no body cares, males should obtain that they do care, plus they express everything the time in relentless, intrusive, insulting means.
posted by maxsparber at 8:29 have always been on 13, 2015 [83 favorites]

You occur for the gaze of others, as well as your body modifications also it not any longer belongs for you, so marking it, with pictures you love, is ways to reclaim it.

Yes! Among my favorite things you can do with a part of my body I don't like (typically since it does not fit culture's narrow standards of just what a lady's human body should appear to be) is get a pleasant tattoo on it. My wobbly old woman top hands become less anything to hate about myself and more anything to love. It is a very, actually wonderful viewpoint change.

And I also'm thirty-fucking-nine with an office task whilst still being getting tattoos (needs to have my half-sleeve extended by the conclusion of the 12 months) and it's really great.
posted by misskaz at 8:29 AM on 13, 2015 [21 favorites]

If a woman is wearing socks, it means she actually is planning to want intercourse since the socks are pulled UP TOWARD the womb. if this woman is wearing earrings this means sex because they are pointing DOWN TOWARDS the uterus. in the event that colossus bestrides the harbor this means its dealing with either TOWARD the girl uterus if this woman is within the eastern or if this woman is within the west additionally toward the uterus world wide and also the feet for the colossus point north and south so those are covered too so basically i know we could assume she desires a boy to produce infant with her
posted by Greg Nog at 8:30 AM may 13, 2015 [157 favorites]please tell me it is a belly tattoo of Krang

It would end up searching like Were-Krang six days after it heals and I also'm much too big a stickler for TMNT canon, unfortuitously.

The tattoo will say BROOKLYN because I do not have enough room for the words ADDITIONAL MONEY THAN SENSE become printed legibly.
posted by griphus at 8:30 have always been on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

Krang works if you're able to do a fair impersonation, otherwise it would be like someone ripped down his voicebox

That man was a talker
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 8:31 AM on 13, 2015

«shredder, build me a body» is one of the most oft repeated phrases within our home. i'm confident i'm able to take some belly dance classes to really get the facial expressions right...
posted by nadawi at 8:33 AM may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]the people who proclaim those with tattoos are only trying to be cool/slavishly riding trends seem far more worried about coolness, observed coolness, and energy regarding coolness than the real people with tattoos
posted by misskaz at 8:34 have always been on May 13, 2015 [22 favorites]i'm going to be truthful, the «I dress/wear makeup/got tattooed/etc. this way for me» argument always make no sense if you ask me either, until i acquired older and began experimenting more using the means we present myself. I have experienced plenty of phases, from tomboy-who-doesn't-care, to short-haired-gamine, to long-haired-beauty-queen, to my present appearance that will be types of hipsterish/normcore with choppy locks and lots of bright colors. I've contemplated various piercings, but never gotten one, or a tattoo-- but I have colored my hair, used «natural» makeup, used plainly abnormal makeup, etc.

there are specific things that simply make me feel more me. A tattoo is not one of these, but dressing just how I do is. I think specific piercings are «me» (but probably will not have them as a result of my profession path). Naturally, on some level they are for «other individuals,» because we inhabit a society. But the explanation I elect to do them isn't because I think cautiously towards personal opinions of everybody around me; it is because I know exactly how it's going to make me personally feel, and that it will impact my self-presentation in a fashion that makes me feel embodied. Truly the only time I am actually specifically contemplating other's gut reactions is when I cannot do particular things, like get tattoos or piercings that will influence my task.

As an example, today once I try to rock the womanly, long-haired, pretty appearance, we typically feel unnatural and embarrassing. When I chop my hair quick and wear the hipster clothing i love, personally i think like myself. Since the «feminine» look is default for women you might make a huge thing over whyyy do you have to cut the hair on your head like that, just therefore others will think you look cool? But it's because i wish to think I look cool. That is so how it is. I must like the method I look basically want to feel at ease. If a female feels preferred in guys's jeans and a sweater, or high-heels and lipstick, or tattoos and piercings, there's really no huge difference. It's only «for other people» inside sense that people want to mirror ourselves outward in a society where individuals see us, attempting to stake out our little bubble of character. But it is perhaps not «for other people» within the sense we want to please them, necessarily. Our feelings about ourselves are mediated through others and culture but so is literally the rest that people do.

You exist for the gaze of others, as well as your human body modifications and it no longer belongs to you, so marking it, with images you prefer, is a way to reclaim it.

Yes, yes, yes.

Possibly in the place of females somehow «owning» that no body cares, males should acquire which they do care, plus they express everything the time in relentless, intrusive, insulting ways.

Yes, yes, yes.

We used to be a judgy asshole too, when I ended up being 13. Nowadays once I see e.g. a female scientist with an ankle tattoo, we really find it inspiring that our individual beauty choices have actually therefore SMALL regarding our intelligence, talents, or capabilities. Whenever people judge you to be ridiculous and trifling (or slutty and strange) because of your tattoo, its therefore reductive and pointless.
posted by easter queen at 8:35 have always been on May 13, 2015 [50 favorites]

Were-Krang

Sounds like we missed out on some major plot turns in the TMNT-verse.… and I also thought the Eastman and Laird space-opera arc had been crazy.
posted by RolandOfEld at 8:36 AM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Guy your message «reality» certain is getting thrown around a great deal inside thread when I ended up being unaware your author's piece ended up being fiction by any means.

It is just like by «Reality» they mean «shut up.»
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 8:36 AM may 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

I can't hold back until this same article is discussed the floppy epidermis from ear gauges in a decade.
posted by Schrodinger's Gat at 8:38 have always been on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]once I had been an exceptionally stupid 21 yr old, my landlady (who had been around 30) revealed me her spine tattoo, which I think had been of dolphins. We would been referring to tattoos and my plans for them, and the woman plans for subsequent ones, however we known the woman tattoo as a tramp stamp. The woman face straight away dropped. This was one thing she truly liked, and I had been said to be an individual who comprehended, but that bollocks operates deeply. I became immediately filled with regret and not called lower back tattoos tramp stamps once more. I am uncertain why individuals are so desperate to cling to this nasty term even with people who have these tattoos say that they hate it?
I have actually tattoos now (and my neighborhood tattoo shop is doing small flash to increase cash for Nepal the next day, therefore might go get another), mostly because i love them, and since the act of having them Means Something to my BDD addled brain.
posted by litereally at 8:38 AM may 13, 2015 [13 favorites]people have already been stating that about extended lobes for about ten years. I am hoping you aren't keeping your breath.
posted by nadawi at 8:39 have always been may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]i can not hold back until this exact same article is discussed the floppy epidermis from ear gauges in ten years.

Well, it won't be, unless individuals are judging your DTF-ness by how large your «holes» are.
posted by easter queen at 8:39 have always been on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

i've actually met a guy whom thought stretched lobes had been a sex thing. individuals are strange and contain multitudes.
posted by nadawi at 8:41 AM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]Please, tell us more how women can be perceiving sexism wrongly.

I jumped out of this remark on end regarding the thread because I happened to be already irked enough, so apologies basically'm saying product — but yes. It is amazing the way the minute — also on a website as reformed as Metafilter — somebody states «i believe this x is shitty gendered behaviour», the *moment* somebody say that, it is possible to hear the rumbling stampede of dudes turning up to state «er REALLY what about this (inevitably perhaps not comparable) thing for dudes, this is simply not anyway sexism».

Set yer goddamn view by it.
posted by ominous_paws at 8:44 AM may 13, 2015 [50 favorites]

It is not actually other's jobs to persuade you they are worthy of your interest.
posted by maxsparber

Um, well, good thing i did not say it was, then.

the individuals whom proclaim those with tattoos are just wanting to be cool/slavishly riding styles appear a lot more concerned about coolness, perceived coolness, and energy regarding coolness compared to the real people who have tattoos
posted by misskaz

Well, certainly you're not doubting that tattoos are incredibly trendy, have you been? I mean, it seems almost beyond debate that folks who're greatly tattooed are conforming to the trend. I don't think it is possible to fairly say that I, an untattooed individual making an easy observation in a web forum, am «more concerned» with being trendy than individuals investing countless bucks and hours in a tattoo parlor actually taking part in the trend.
posted by jayder at 8:46 AM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

I, for just one, do not judge guys with tattoos any in a different way from ladies.

Somehow I bet very first thought regarding the intent behind a diminished straight back tattoo on a man wouldn't be to look good while carrying it out doggy style. Hoooooly shit but that is a creepy presumption to help make.
posted by invitapriore at 8:46 have always been on May 13, 2015 [32 favorites]

> «i've really met a guy whom thought extended lobes were a sex thing.»

*blink* Are you saying he thought that people were having aural intercourse?
posted by kyrademon at 8:46 have always been on May 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

this really is it

this is the thread that may turn me towards vengeance cannibalism as soon as and for all
posted by poffin boffin at 8:47 AM on May 13, 2015 [87 favorites]

liberation originates from confidence, not dependence on applause or cheap DIY sophistry and propaganda.

And now we're accusing those who write individual essays to do it for attention. Hoo kid.
posted by almostmanda at 8:47 have always been may 13, 2015 [14 favorites]

Well, certainly you aren't denying that tattoos are incredibly trendy, are you currently? I am talking about, it seems nearly beyond debate that people that are heavily tattooed are conforming to the trend. I do not think you'll fairly state that I, an untattooed individual making a simple observation in a web forum, have always been «more concerned» with being stylish than people spending a huge selection of dollars and hours in a tattoo parlor really taking part in the trend.

It seems almost beyond debate that you have actually simply no idea what you're referring to.

(and I also do not have even any tattoos.)
posted by kmz at 8:52 have always been on May 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

Well, undoubtedly you aren't doubting that tattoos are extremely fashionable, have you been?

It depends whom you go out with. My heavily-tattooed buddies parents may tattooed. It is definitely more socially acceptable to have visible tattoos now than before, but i'dn't at all call it a 'trend' in how JNCOs or bowling bag purses had been. Unless a «trend» can rise in popularity over the course of fifty years and continue doing therefore without indication of slowing down, but that's really stretching this is

There's surely styles in tattoo designs, yes, nevertheless the concept it self does not comply with the things I generally acknowledge as a 'trend'.
posted by griphus at 8:53 AM on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

NO RAGRETS!
posted by Windopaene at 8:54 AM may 13, 2015 [9 favorites]*blink* have you been saying he thought that people had been having aural intercourse?

he thought the plugs had been place holders for penis. i guess he saw an image online and thought it was something people did in place of a sight gag.
posted by nadawi at 8:54 have always been on 13, 2015

I've a variety of tattoos and so they make me personally feel sexy and happy within my body. The end
posted by Windigo at 8:55 have always been on 13, 2015 [21 favorites]THIS ROCK N ROLL MUSIC IS A TREND and anybody who likes it must be trendy uncool hipsters who possess a significant load of the intercourse. this is categorically real no argument may be created against it.
posted by nadawi at 8:56 AM may 13, 2015 [15 favorites][Comment removed. jayder, I do not know very well what's happening with you plus the antagonism in here however have to cool it.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 8:57 AM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]i've in fact met a dude who thought extended lobes had been a sex thing

aughhhh

We actually just considered the perspective associated with the Sublime tattoo man for a second and I also actually comprehended it. The other day I became cleaning up my dresser and I discovered a number of brand-new thong underwear I never used and I literally just threw them away because I see them so embarassingly intimately demeaning at this time. (No offense to women who are into thongs, I just don't have any sex drive at this time and am over it.) However, we have a look at pictures of myself trying to look «grunge» in senior school, after grunge ended up being over, and I demonstrably don't understand what I was doing, and I also have fond memories. I could see why the Sublime man likes their tattoo although it's completely over and absolutely will not signify coolness anymore. There's something good about looking straight back and thinking «I certain ended up being trying to be edgy, but I sure did live.»

Having said that there are few things worse than being denigrated for the sexuality, I think. It is basically sexist hate speech. It is insulting but in addition seems breaking, all-in-one. If you make enjoyable of my wrist tattoo, bang you. If you make enjoyable of my tramp stamp, it feels like you're saying «i really could bang you, other guys have actually, you're too dumb to avoid me.» Which can be just creepy and seems molesty.

An element of the cope with rape culture is indeed strong when a lady is purposely looking sexy, there nearly has to be like orange cones around her or something like that. We have been therefore inclined to not respect her individual choices about who SHE really wants to have sexual intercourse with when she does or doesn't want to have intercourse that people can have this thread where if you have a «slutty» tattoo you ought to just conquer it rather than acknowledge it makes individuals want to treat you like an item of garbage that's passed away around from man to guy, and openly admit it. Hate message.
posted by easter queen at 8:58 AM on May 13, 2015 [27 favorites]

Are you able to look at a tattoo like a painting or any piece of art making a crucial remark? Or is it because it's on the body forever that it can not be criticized without falling into judging concerning the human anatomy it self?
posted by FJT at 9:00 have always been on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]I know those who've removed the plugs/tunnels from their ears. The holes don't stay big. They shrink up and types of appear to be a cat-butt.
posted by LindsayIrene at 9:01 have always been on May 13, 2015 [12 favorites]Is it possible to look at a tattoo like a painting or any artwork and make a crucial remark?

It's possible, certain, like many things are, but why can you want to tell someone that this permanent thing they will have on on their own is [negative trait]? What is the upshot here except insulting or harming that person?
posted by jeather at 9:02 have always been on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

I do believe this will depend — gets the individual aided by the tattoo place by themselves in a gallery and suggested that they wanted rigorous review? or is this a lot more like loudly mocking somebody's living room artwork if they've invited you over for lunch?
posted by nadawi at 9:02 AM may 13, 2015 [34 favorites]There are a lot of shitty tattoos out there. I don't think there's any issue in stating that a tattoo is defectively performed, as well as defectively considered (there has been plenty of critique about social appropriation and tattoos.)

But that's diverse from saying «that individual is a slut, and tattoo demonstrates it.»
posted by maxsparber at 9:02 AM on May 13, 2015 [17 favorites]

Tattooing has been around for most tens and thousands of years, the causes individuals have tattooed are numerous once the people by themselves, and in case you have got a desire to project assumed motives upon strangers which you encounter with tattoos then that reveals quite a lot more regarding the mind-set than theirs.
posted by churl at 9:02 have always been may 13, 2015 [17 favorites]i've a number of tattoos plus they make me feel sexy and pleased in my human anatomy. The end

Damn those are excellent!
posted by Drexen at 9:03 have always been on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

Is it possible to glance at a tattoo like an artwork or any artwork and also make a crucial remark?

I think it is fundamentally fine to state, «oh, dolphins and flowers… ok.» Getting a great deal judgier than that most likely makes you slightly mean and assholish however a great deal even worse. However the issue is whenever you say, «oh, dolphins and plants on your own spine, you're sexually promiscuous with a low IQ.» Additionally the proven fact that individuals equate tattoos (or «bad» tattoos) with class status (not just because of correlation, but because «good» tattoos are fucking costly) probably means it's worthwhile to give some thought to it critically first before lashing out.
posted by easter queen at 9:03 AM on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

"it's demonstrably meant for someone else's look, because the individual wearing it cannot view it without support."

We wore our blue jeans really low-slung in late 90s/early 2000s, and our shirts cut reasonably short, in order that «midriff» showed — not in a sexual way, just in a fashionable means. In a cute method. Spine tattoos weren't for your sex partners, they revealed whenever you were wearing your hip-hugger jeans plus cropped-short T-shirt to attend course. These people were CUTE. The type of them, with whorls and butterflies and Indian-ish mendhi-ish designs, is very like the images on our T-shirts during the time.

I've seen some pretty regrettable lower-back tattoos since they had been ubiquitous and a lot of individuals didn't know to fund quality, or got them drunk, or picked something random; but most of those had been just pretty fashion accessories which were very stylish at that time, and are simple to hide at your workplace now. Possibly we ought ton't be permanently affixing temporary fashion alternatives to our systems, sure, but it's really easy to cover up!

My many corporate, conservative buddy has a very adorable butterfly one, therefore just tickles me to death that she's got this key little ink from the time she was an event girl with her locks in a row of teeny butterfly clips shopping the Delia*s catalog.
posted by Eyebrows McGee at 9:04 AM may 13, 2015 [61 favorites]

We are now living in a tiny bubble which I do not think quite definitely about how people modify their health, and neither does someone else. This thread is a depressing reminder that other folks think quite definitely that the things I do is about Them and what They consider me.

I think that is about enough for today.
posted by small_ruminant at 9:07 have always been on May 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

Can you really view a tattoo like an artwork or any piece of art while making a crucial remark? Or perhaps is it since it's regarding the body permanently that it cannot be criticized without dropping into judging in regards to the human body itself?

It's very possible, but that doesn't mean that it is going to review well, and that's gonna depend a whole lot on relationship between critic and tattoo owner, the nature of this criticism, the context which it is coming up, etc.

But beyond the idea of saying «i've an opinion concerning the artistic comment of your tattoo», the broader concept here of criticizing the choice of keeping of a tattoo itself gets far from a notional critical touch upon an artwork to something a lot more like considering a just how an artwork had been hung being like, we bet the one who owns this gallery is a slut.
posted by cortex at 9:07 AM on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

Well, undoubtedly you're not denying that tattoos are extremely trendy, are you currently?

Wat? Tattoos are a great deal older than… I dunno, vehicles? Cars aren't stylish. This lady's tattoo is from 12+ years back. I see old punks around whose tattoos must certanly be 30 or 40+ years of age. Popeye had tattoos!!! Popeye was not stylish! Ya big silly!
posted by Drexen at 9:11 AM on 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

...didn't know to pay for quality, or got them drunk...

This is often co-morbid because skilled tattoo performers working at reputable shops will generally maybe not tattoo a drunk complete stranger, so it's frequently a fairly glaring 'this is exactly what we consider our customers' red banner.

We regularly work nearby to two various tattoo stores: one was a neighborhood organization, and they'd take a drunk person's fifty bucks as a deposit and let them know another the following day and often pocket the fifty it as pure revenue since the person sobered up and didn't, or just didn't remember doing this.

One other shop absolutely tattooed drunk those who wandered in on Saturdya evening, and I also would fundamentally never recommend it to anyone even though I happened to be cool with all the individuals who worked there and so they had some skilled music artists.
posted by griphus at 9:12 AM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

I have all sorts of tattoos in addition they make me personally feel sexy and delighted in my body. The end
posted by Windigo at 8:55 AM may 13 [3 favorites +] [!]

Arm antlers!

[Like!]
posted by chavenet at 9:12 have always been on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

otzi the fucking iceman had tattoos

i guess he had been after some hot mastodon d or something, that fucking iceslut
posted by poffin boffin at 9:13 AM may 13, 2015 [94 favorites]

i guess he was after some hot mastodon d or something, that fucking iceslut

This is now a Chuck Tingle fanfic thread.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:15 have always been on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

I acquired this woman beat. I am a 33 year old girl and I nevertheless have a stomach button band i acquired when I was 19.

My friends surely make enjoyable of me personally on coastline and I also've gotten a couple of negative eyes from people on the way. It is types of stuck inside now and for a bit I happened to be vaguely embarrassed by it but too squicked down to actually yank it and too sluggish to help make my solution to a piercing spot.

However, suddenly, a few years ago, i simply completely fell in love with it once more. It's therefore totally ridiculous and of its age and like, literally, of each and every item We owned in college here is the only thing that is still sticking around, humbly chilling within my navel. And I also picked it out while being followed closely by the stars associated with the MTV reality show «Sorority lifetime,» after the season had ended but as they had been being trailed by a film crew hoping to air an online «sequel» that never saw the light of day, which can be the most unadulterated early-2000s thing that has ever happened inside reputation for the earth. Youth can mock me personally, dumb people can judge me — which so besides the point in comparison with just what me personally and my belly button band have experienced over these past fifteen years that the looked at individuals getting genuinely offended by my out-of-step visual alternatives provides me a type of giddy joy.

Hate on, haters! My stomach button ring's name is Jordan and, Jesus ready, once I am just crumbling bone and dirt she's going to sparkle on, undaunted, inside darkness of my grave.
posted by pretentious illiterate at 9:16 have always been on May 13, 2015 [86 favorites]

Popeye had tattoos!!! Popeye wasn't trendy! Ya big silly!

But good Popeye tattoo… which fashionable.

#notalltattoos
posted by delfin at 9:16 have always been on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

> «are you able to consider a tattoo like a painting or any artwork making a crucial remark?»

It's not often appropriate. Tattoos aren't being presented for market discussion and critique. Tattoos are nearly always individual, and critiques will therefore be used as an individual criticism.
posted by kyrademon at 9:17 AM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

but most of these were just adorable fashion accessories that have been very stylish at the time,

they certainly were pretty trendy; and back the 90's there was clearly that entire «show your underwear peeking above your low-rise jeans» thing, male and female (guys with boxers, gals with thongs).

It is never good to help make fun of men and women's appearance, and provided the way in which this thread went I truly do regret my «ass antlers» drive-by comment above (and I also have actually constantly thought «tramp stamp» was at best a stupid thing to express). Sorry basically hurt anybody's feelings.

Interesting article… and this thread certainly supports its conclusions.
posted by Nevin at 9:20 AM on 13, 2015

This tattoo was regarded as unfortunate more then 10 years ago.
posted by lattiboy at 9:20 have always been on 13, 2015 [1 favorite][remark plus some replies removed. Please don't come into a thread swinging and whining about the website in general; if you want to enter into metacommentary on which you believe is incorrect with Metafilter or mefites, metatalk is the way to go, maybe not this.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 9:21 AM on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]«Is it possible to check a tattoo like a painting or any piece of art and make a vital remark?»

I mean, are we speaking in basic feeling («I do not like tattoos of ___, of these reasons») or are you saying, is it possible to walk as much as a human being and say this thing that's inside their epidermis sucks?

Because we'd state critiquing a tattoo toward owner's face (or behind their back in an easy method which they might in the course of time check out) is more like being shitty about someone's shaving choices and/or makeup products at this time on their face. Can you really do either of the things? Actually? If you would not walk around some body and say «try less eyeliner» or «ew armpit hair!» then just leave their tattoos the fuck alone.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 9:26 AM may 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

This will be a tangent, however you dudes can say for certain that it's feasible for one thing to own been with us for 1000s of years and still be trendy, appropriate? See, e.g., beards, bacon, etc.
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 9:27 AM may 13, 2015 [9 favorites]> «i've all sorts of tattoos as well as make me feel sexy and delighted in my human body. The end»

Those are typical gorgeous and I have always been specially admiring that amazing snail.
posted by kyrademon at 9:28 AM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

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posted by cortex (staff) at 9:28 AM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]I cannot even think that this thread is really so chock-full of individuals dismissing this as maybe not being sexism once the fucking title associated with thing we are referring to is a tramp stamp (and reading the words 'skank flank' almost made me personally lose my breakfast). WTF is being conducted here nowadays? Yes, it's completely sexism-free, women, my ultra-tedious condescending mansplaining will make everything clear for you!
posted by dialetheia at 9:30 AM may 13, 2015 [53 favorites]we'd say getting tattoos hasn't been more popular...trendy is one term that expresses that. Of the many people i am aware, of all of the age ranges, more have tattoos compared to those that don't. I haven't gotten one for all reasons, but certainly one of my reaaons is that it feels more uncommon not to have one nowadays.
posted by agregoli at 9:30 have always been may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]after all, is it possible to think of a male tattoo that would be instantly sexualized, unless it had been especially on the cock?

Mine. It's a celtic cross that I got below my belly-button at across the same some time age due to the fact writer inside OP. People usually comment once they first notice it that it's demonstrably said to be about blowjobs or whatever, when I genuinely just thought it absolutely was a fantastic, easy-enough-to-hide location when I had been a college freshman. I've additionally never regretted it.

This article goes back and forth on its focus, a little, that I think is unintentionally causing a few of the anger and stress here. Too much of it is like it's saying, «it's unjust that my tattoo reasons visitors to lump me personally in with them,» and that feels a little to me, especially as she defines the lady college-aged self completely within the parameters of the who get tarred with your labels. Whatever, though, people can contain multitudes and the ideal is the enemy regarding the good and so forth etc. We certainly do not need another goddamn «tone argument» right here.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:31 have always been may 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

Too much of it feels as though it's saying, «it's unfair that my tattoo factors individuals to lump me personally in together,» which feels a bit to me, especially as she describes the girl college-aged self perfectly inside the parameters of these whom get tarred with these labels.

At no point in article does she even mention the lady college-aged self engaging in intercourse, let alone being «promiscuous» (at the very least in the eyes regarding the variety of folks who are fighting to keep on making use of tramp stamp) in such a way that she felt deserved become judged onto it.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:40 AM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Metafilter: you're most likely answering a reply that has it self been already deleting and when not exactly yet is approximately to be
posted by (Arsenio) Hall and (Warren) Oates at 9:41 have always been on 13, 2015 [20 favorites]In my last workplace task, I became the one-man art division for a small software developer. 1 day, certainly one of our IT dudes and his gf (additionally into the IT dept) found me personally with a request. They desired me to get ways to increase a tattoo of hers so that it was more...presentable. I told them We'd need to contemplate it because I'd no clue just what went into designing a tattoo. So the left with me several photos associated with the offending tattoo. It was a lower-back tattoo, obviously. It was a bright red bulls-eye target with a large, graphic arrow (perhaps not the bow and quiver type of arrow...the flowchart sort of arrow) pointing to the biggest market of the target.

I just had no idea how to handle it with that, and decided it absolutely was better to not have a go at it. I'd have asked way too many incorrect questions somewhere over the line.

FWIW, the initial few times I ever heard the expression «tramp stamp» it had been by females proudly describing their tattoos.
posted by Thorzdad at 9:44 have always been on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Ladies' reduced backs are in which they are vikings.
posted by srboisvert at 9:45 AM on May 13, 2015 [11 favorites]Idiotic generic back tattoos on women can be perhaps not emblems of the sluttishness. They're emblems of their stupidity and conformity. It's fine to produce enjoyable of those, since it's like a visible label that some one thought it had been a good idea to make a permanent modification with their human anatomy of something without genuine relevance in their mind apart from 'Butterflies are pretty!' The fact that she's now regretting it ten years later is exactly what those of us who put thought into our tattoos all predicted would happen.

I believe the male sexualization from it is pretty gross though, but I do believe it comes down less from 'the placement is for individuals doggystyling' (really, exactly what the fuck?) and much more through the fact that many men believe that idiotic conformist young women ladies have actually demonstrated that they're susceptible to bad choices and thus are effortless prey for their machinations and therefore will rest with many of them without a great deal effort.
posted by corb at 9:46 have always been may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

They truly are emblems of the stupidity and conformity. It's ok to create enjoyable of them, as it's like a visible tag that someone thought it absolutely was best if you make a permanent modification to their body of one thing without real relevance in their mind besides 'Butterflies are pretty!'

this is certainly an extremely actually ugly sentiment.
posted by ominous_paws at 9:47 have always been on May 13, 2015 [127 favorites]

idiotic conformist young women females have demonstrated that they're vunerable to bad choices and thus are simple victim due to their machinations and therefore will sleep with many of them without much effort.

I fork out a lot of time with teenage boys at the bar we work at and I think this analysis of what they think offers them excessively credit.
posted by josher71 at 9:48 have always been may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

Just why is it fine to make enjoyable of individuals for a thing on the body, particularly when they do not enjoy it and have expressed self-consciousness about it? That seems pretty cruel.
posted by griphus at 9:48 have always been on May 13, 2015 [9 favorites]many men think that idiotic conformist young women women have demonstrated that they are susceptible to bad choices and so are simple victim with regards to their machinations and so will rest with most of them without much effort.

I extremely question guys place any such thing near to that types of real rational idea into their misogyny.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:49 AM on May 13, 2015 [19 favorites]

FWIW, the very first few times I ever heard the word «tramp stamp» it absolutely was by females proudly explaining their very own tattoos.

women frequently make an effort to reclaim the sexist spoken abuse that's hurled at us (from ahead of when puberty). ladies also enforce the patriarchy. when we state one thing is misogynistic or a function regarding the patriarchy or rape culture we aren't saying «all guys are bad and terrible and should feel awful and all sorts of women are goddesses above reproach!» we are saying — hey, is not it strange that literally every option a woman makes is seen to be linked to her genitals or the woman use to men?
posted by nadawi at 9:50 have always been on May 13, 2015 [40 favorites]

"I cannot even believe that this thread is so chock-full of individuals dismissing this as not being sexism as soon as the fucking title of the thing we are speaing frankly about is a tramp stamp"

Well, to be honest, we never considered the term as sexist since «tramp» is gender neutral and usually always explain dudes. Ergo the Disney film, «The Lady while the Tramp».
posted by I-baLL at 9:50 AM may 13, 2015

Also, the Chaplin tramp stamp tattoo idea stated earlier is an excellent, brilliant idea.
posted by I-baLL at 9:50 AM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]I got at tattoo in my own early 20's. It's to the medial side on my spine therefore kind of of this type. I've heard the term tramp stamp before but must-have never paid it much attention because I don't recall ever associating my tat aided by the term or implications of this term.

It's a fun tat that I designed and it is a specific reference to that point within my life. Most of the time we forget that I have it. I have reminded in certain cases if the top of it peeks away above my waist line, (it's pretty little eyes) and people comment about being looked at. This frequently ultimately ends up with a giggle when I explain just what it really is and exactly what it means to me.

I selected that spot since it is concealed by most clothing but I can nevertheless see it when I look into the mirror. The thought that we designed as some sort of sex thing that only a sex partner would see just never ever took place to me once I chose the spot.

Convinced that some people consider it in certain type of sex method is both disconcerting and hilarious as it's a tattoo of an infant Muppet. ' Yeah, sexay child muppet'...nope that's just creepy.

«tattoos are our more youthful selves' means of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»;

We get this. My tat does remind me of who I was once I started using it, both bad and the good. Its a symbol of my younger times and I also do appreciate the remembering occurring once I glance at it. It's a milestone of types where I wind up comparing then now. Would younger me like now me personally? Would younger me personally be fine with where i will be now? Does now me personally have actually wisdom gained over the years to fit exactly what more youthful me had been thinking? Just what has changed and what hasn't? Younger me personally ended up being happy as well as in a great area during those times. How about now? etc etc
posted by Jalliah at 9:51 AM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

«tramp» is sex basic and often accustomed explain guys

Which planet is this on, and exactly how can we visit.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:51 AM on 13, 2015 [77 favorites]

Look, i am jealous too of times device towards the 1930s, but if we're less careful, he will not let's borrow it.
posted by corb at 9:53 have always been on May 13, 2015 [12 favorites]«Gutter tramps»? «Trampsies?»
posted by Nevin at 9:54 have always been may 13, 2015«tramp» is gender neutral and often regularly explain guys

you thought when people referred almost exclusively to tattoos on ladies (or males being mocked as gay) because of the term tramp stamp these people were most likely talking about charlie chaplin or a cartoon through the 50s? really?
posted by nadawi at 9:54 AM may 13, 2015 [23 favorites]

Just what, do you think the 'tramp' relates to depression period hobos, who have been needless to say known global to favor dragonfly tattoos on the reduced backs?

fine, in all honesty, we never ever thought of the term as sexist since «tramp» is sex basic and often accustomed explain dudes. Hence the Disney film, «The Lady therefore the Tramp».

Welp.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:54 AM may 13, 2015 [17 favorites]

Well, in all honesty, we never looked at the definition of as sexist since «tramp» is gender basic and usually regularly describe guys. For this reason the Disney film, «The Lady and also the Tramp».

Not certain that serious.
posted by Drexen at 9:55 have always been on 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

I am just glad somebody is standing to slurs utilized against nineteenth century chimney sweeps!
posted by lattiboy at 9:56 have always been on 13, 2015 [13 favorites]Well, to tell the truth, I never looked at the expression as sexist since «tramp» is sex neutral and usually accustomed describe guys. Hence the Disney film, «The Lady together with Tramp».

You do recognize the examples you're making use of are from the 1920s and 1955 respectively, and that language changes. Which your message slag ended up being also as soon as gender neutral, and slut designed slovenly, but none of this implies that both terms have not acquired brand new, and clearly sexist, meanings?

I ask, because We suspect you do know this.
posted by maxsparber at 9:56 have always been on May 13, 2015 [14 favorites]

At no point in the article does she also mention the lady college-aged self doing sex, let alone being «promiscuous» (at least into the eyes associated with form of individuals who are fighting to help keep in using tramp stamp) so that she felt deserved to be judged on it.

Not particularly (and guy, let us actually maybe not make a derail from this, please) but here is a few of the things I'm discussing:

I did not placed much thought in to the type my tattoo took, but We distinctly remember why I made the decision to get it. It was my first-time living by myself, and out from the confines of my parents home, I'd never felt therefore free. It absolutely was a spontaneous option during a period of spontaneous alternatives. I was tinkering with medications, alcohol, and something that pressed a boundary. We tried skydiving, and shortly indulged in picking right on up males then casually discarding them. That backfired whenever one evening, following the pubs shut down, a drunken previous suitor bleated, «You never called me personally!» across a crowded street—a memory which has remained beside me, though not quite because obtrusively as my tattoo The dragonfly is a permanent reminder of a far more carefree time in my life when midriffs ruled, a Seven for many Mankind jean clutch ended up being ‘cool,' and scarf tops were a viable wardrobe option. It had been a lark.and in the next paragraph:Nicole Richie, basically my tramp stamp style symbol, struggled along with it on an episode of her show Candidly Nicole in 2013. «It simply means a particular thing,» she stated concerning the cross descending into the woman butt break, «and i recently do not desire to be a part of that group.»Emphasis my own, demonstrably. Anyhow, I do not think this article is bad or must be dismissed. «Tramp Stamp» is actually a horrendous patriarchal term. My gf has an LBT, since do a number of my closest buddies. We are pretty far outside of any standard «slut-shaming» crowd, though. In my circle, it could most likely more imply «basic» than such a thing, and also then, whatever, a ton of the folks i understand ask them to, and I also have actually my personal kinda-sorta-equivalent. Anyhow, that's all I got with this.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:57 have always been on May 13, 2015Y'all should just do what I did re: the meaning of «tramp» and assume that I-baLL has some really unorthodox opinions for the Disney film utilizing the dogs.
posted by griphus at 9:59 have always been on 13, 2015 [12 favorites]LBT is an extremely brand new and confusing acronym in my experience.

We read on it just as if the «gay» had been dumped associated with queer alliance.
posted by lattiboy at 9:59 have always been on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

My cousin got a standard-issue vines-and-leaves LBT.

She bent over one day getting something away from the woman car; dad raised an eyebrow and asked "[name], why is there one thing growing out of your asshole?"
posted by delfin at 10:01 have always been may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

Well, in all honesty, I never ever considered the term as sexist since «tramp» is sex neutral and often regularly explain dudes. For this reason the Disney film, «The Lady as well as the Tramp».

Oh please, do go on! *furiously writes down your enlightened teachings* therefore tramp does not mean slut like literally everyone else on the planet uses it these days, you state? Will wonders never ever cease!
posted by dialetheia at 10:02 AM on May 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

She bent over 1 day getting something away from the woman car; my dad raised an eyebrow and asked "[name], why is there one thing growing from your asshole?"

I presume she responded by asking why her dad was taking a look at or commenting on her ass.
posted by maxsparber at 10:03 have always been on May 13, 2015 [22 favorites]

stupidity and conformity

Well OK. Jesus. I am talking about, what if they'd a stupid tattoo and like incorrect band? Let us eviscerate them!

I do believe that whether or not a lady DID get a LBT since it signifies sexual supply and she wanted to project that, calling it a «tramp stamp» is still profoundly disrespectful and misogynist. I get why you might criticize this article on those grounds, but «I do not wish to be lumped in with them» is certainly not truly the only explanation to object on term.

Well-placed sexual signifier is not actually reasons to phone some body a tramp. Tramp is actually a stupid, meaningless sexist epithet. It indicates «indiscriminately promiscuous» in some sort of in which nobody really cares about intimate purity that a great deal anymore. (Before objections, I don't think pastors and church women will be the people keeping «tramp stamp» alive.)

I think women's fashion catches on since it's sexy, but it becomes therefore ubiquitous that you cannot actually state with certainty that it's meant to be intimate anymore. I mean, all women wear v-neck tops, simply because they flatter our numbers more, i.e., they have been more attractive. That doesn't mean we're earnestly trying to be sexy. Having said that, a female might wear one to look sexy, too. Same with those damn choker necklaces into the 90's. Cute, sexy, whatever. Ladies' fashion is actually all lumped into the world of «sexy» regardless of our intent. Whether it's clearly perhaps not sexy, then it becomes one particular «Trends Men Hate» things so we make enjoyable from it if you are hipster.
posted by easter queen at 10:04 have always been may 13, 2015 [12 favorites]

What exactlyis the equivalent on a guy as well as on leading, not the back?

Because that's what I got.
posted by gottabefunky at 10:04 AM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

She bent over one day getting one thing from her car; dad raised an eyebrow and asked "[name], why is there one thing growing from your asshole?"

My daddy once explained that their tits had been bigger than mine. Ah, from mouths of dads.
posted by easter queen at 10:05 have always been on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

I mean, everybody knows that the tramp stamp is named that as it ended up being the original tattoo of 1920s hobos, appropriate? That's simply history! «Bob, gimme a tramp stamp and a bindle, I'm setting out!» they would state, on their option to drive the rails for the first time.
posted by dialetheia at 10:06 have always been on 13, 2015 [39 favorites]So what's the same on a man and on the front, perhaps not the back?

This.
posted by Eyebeams at 10:08 AM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Y'all are going to freak out once you discover what «punk» really means!
posted by Navelgazer at 10:08 have always been on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]WHen guys call a lady a slut they really signify they understand she hasn't done the dishes in very nearly a complete week and there are still toast crumbs from break fast inside parlor.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:08 have always been may 13, 2015 [37 favorites]«The Lady plus the Tramp»

I always thought it will be a neat little bit of culture jamming because of this image to be reinterpreted as an LBT.
posted by bonehead at 10:09 AM may 13, 2015

it is known
posted by poffin boffin at 10:09 AM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]i do believe it's possible, dependent on where someone when a person lived that 'tramp' utilized as women sexist descriptor wasn't and it isn't in super typical usage. I am able to remember being called and hearing plenty of words getting used to spell it out ladies and tramp isn't one of them.

I understand what it indicates however when we hear the term tramp my very first thought is 'hobo' rather than slutty. It was and is not in keeping usage in my opinion. It is a slang term and slang isn't necessarily universial in its usage and meaning.
posted by Jalliah at 10:09 have always been on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

if the young ones in college called me personally faggot these people were simply complimenting me on being therefore slender, like big money of sticks!
posted by nadawi at 10:09 AM on May 13, 2015 [34 favorites]i am therefore happy you are here to spell out to us all why the writer doesn't actually understand why the woman tattoo bothers her so much. Initial three paragraphs retain the following words: whore, scarlet letter, slut. However you know what's actually bothering her.

I love exactly how conditionally deconstructionist Metafilter may be. Apparently the sole time it is not okay to think about the written text independent of the writer's stated intent is when it's your own essay regarding an area sacred cow.

We read the article twice, and the slut-shaming critique does indeed read like a fig leaf for reflections on youthful regrets. The writing can there be. It is a reputable reading, whether you love it or not.
posted by echocollate at 10:09 AM on May 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

The first tramp stamps.
posted by zombieflanders at 10:10 AM on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]Greg Nog: "i am having a hell of a period finding it, but some body on twitter tweeted something similar to «tattoos are our more youthful selves' way of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»; I think about this concept a lot.
Edit: Found it!"

Well, it works the other method round too: «sometimes not receiving a tatoo is forcing your younger self to be more in line with your own future one».
posted by nicolin at 10:10 have always been on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

I'm so later towards krang celebration, but you can find surely krang tattoos which were done. And they're glorious.
posted by numaner at 10:12 AM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]we disagree with all the current people conflating «tramp» with «slut». A tramp is a specific kind of slut, one which comes on to men who are currently in relationships. Likewise «tramp» also implies a minimal rung in the financial ladder. It suggests trailer trash Jerry Springer material.

Could be other people make use of it in a different way, but that is the way I've always heard it utilized.
posted by let me know No Lies at 10:14 have always been may 13, 2015

...how does that meaning replace the misogyny of it?
posted by nadawi at 10:15 have always been on May 13, 2015 [17 favorites]In other news, I just realized that the very first comment in this thread includes the phrase «authoress» and I'm formally willing to throw myself off a bridge today as a result of this thread.
posted by dialetheia at 10:17 have always been on May 13, 2015 [33 favorites]By incorporating a layer of class-ism too?

I mean, we don't want to abandon some haters unfairly here, do we?
posted by bonehead at 10:18 AM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

Demonstrably it is important that people understand that some slutty sluts are even worse than others as a result of reasons. God forbid any woman perhaps not understand the woman spot.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:19 AM may 13, 2015 [12 favorites]In other news, I just pointed out that the initial remark inside thread includes the word «authoress» and I also'm formally willing to put myself off a bridge today because of this thread.

Everyone understands it is authorette unless you get married.
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 10:20 AM on May 13, 2015 [34 favorites]

Actually, I've constantly thought that a lot of anti-tattoo sentiment ended up being classist, pro-bourgeois. The «Tramp Stamp» adds a frisson of patriarchy to that particular too, for additional hatitute spice.
posted by bonehead at 10:20 have always been on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]The undeniable fact that we are now doing a taxonomy of sluts has turned this thread from merely wretched to additionally surreal.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 10:22 have always been on May 13, 2015 [40 favorites]In other news, I just noticed that the very first comment within thread includes your message «authoress» and I'm officially prepared to put myself off a bridge today thanks to this thread.

To be fair, we don't understand that remark wasn't kept bythis guy.
posted by corb at 10:22 AM on May 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

I obtained this woman beat. I'm a 33 year old woman and I nevertheless have a stomach key ring I got when I was 19.

I got mine done in my very early 20s and I also enjoyed the notion of it, plus the cutesy absurd barbells i really could get (I'd one with a chihuahua moving off it!), but MAN DID IT HURT forever and always because of this belly sleeper, never ever completely healed, dropped out one day round the six month mark by enough time I noticed it had closed up, so was the end of that. And two pregnancies totally made the scar appearance crazy.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 10:26 AM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

They're emblems of these stupidity and conformity.

I think anyone willing to get this to degree of vicious judgment about another individual predicated on ONE chosen skin marking is most likely needed to show 100percent of these very own human body art for full public review, just for fairness's sake.

Oh, just what can you suggest, that appears deeply unpleasant and breaking? How odd.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 10:26 AM may 13, 2015 [23 favorites]

'Butterflies are pretty!'
Perfectly appropriate explanation for a tattoo and does not need your judgement — you can keep that to yourself.
posted by ersatzkat at 10:27 AM on May 13, 2015 [22 favorites]Might be well worth noting that a fairly typical US-centric dictionary has the definition «a girl who may have sex with numerous men» immediately into the noun version of «tramp.»

It's additionally marked as «somewhat antique,» which will be pretty funny considering the animated adventure movie being cited is from 1955. Time flies!
posted by mikeh at 10:33 have always been on 13, 2015

Really, i have always thought that a lot of anti-tattoo belief had been classist, pro-bourgeois.

Do you understand how much the damn things expense? Truly quotidian, non-bourgeois tattoos are jail tattoos, etched with a pencil in the knuckles. I'm maybe not joking. We worked as a mover & most of swampers had been ex-cons.

Considering that the 90's virtually any design of tattoo is a signifier of wide range, or aspirations to wealth.
posted by Nevin at 10:34 AM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Exactly what Jalliah stated. We examined urban dictionary and half the definitions fall one wa and half autumn one other method but I never ever heard «tramp» getting used as an alternative for «slut» prior to. I wonder exactly how that definition evolved from hobo.
posted by I-baLL at 10:35 have always been on 13, 2015I mean, element of me personally wants to enter into possible etymology, then again We noticed that I don't fucking care, it's nevertheless a shitty thing to express regardless.
posted by corb at 10:36 AM on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]We presume she responded by asking why her father had been considering or commenting on her ass.
Because she was standing appropriate before him and she bent at the waist and, like Everest, it had been there?

It is not to mean that my cousin is a Sherpa. Though if a Sherpa really wants to put vines and leaves on his spine there's not much that i will do in order to stop him.
posted by delfin at 10:37 AM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

avert your eyes patriarch
posted by Combustible Edison Lighthouse at 10:38 have always been on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]tramp=dirty=woman who dares to possess sex — it's pretty easy to see how it might have occurred.
posted by nadawi at 10:39 have always been on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]in summary: Men are jerks. News at 11.
posted by Vindaloo at 10:41 have always been on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]no, it is more like news on the hour, hourly, each and every day for the remainder of our life.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:46 AM on 13, 2015 [37 favorites]Because she had been standing right before him and she bent over at the waist and, like Everest, it absolutely was here?

So he felt he needed to be a literal example of patriarchy policing a female's body? Sorry, i understand he is your dad, but having a father comment on his child's «asshole» is extremely creepy.
posted by maxsparber at 10:46 AM on May 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

no, it is more like news in the hour, hourly, each and every day the remainder of our lives.

I see you too have been stuck in the Belt with a motorist whom insists on playing 1010 VICTORIES the traffic («on the people!»)
posted by the man of twists and turns at 10:50 have always been on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

We wonder if someday i'll arrived at be sorry for the cosmic dragon wings that stretch from my back to my arms. I obtained them a few years ago, after about four years of using the design until I had something I liked. The only real response I ever get is people marveling at their beauty.

I keep on toying utilizing the concept of a UV spine tattoo, but will most likely never bother. Possibly if I ever opt to get that dragon tail curving across one butt-cheek and down around a leg.

Physically i do believe this woman, in debating whether to have her small dragonfly layered down, is missin the other option: obtain it covered up with something which means something to her.
posted by egypturnash at 10:51 AM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

Just make sure to not consume any paintings within brooklyn museum.
posted by poffin boffin at 10:52 have always been may 13, 2015 [13 favorites]I'm formally prepared to toss myself off a bridge today as a result of this thread.

Yep. I hardly ever comment here but I read the blue, green, and grey literally daily. Metafilter is my homepage on both my laptop and my phone. This thread isn't the only real impetus (i have additionally spent a lot of time on We Hunted the Mammoth this week) but it's the push I needed seriously to declare myself on a media break for a week or two. As far as I'm concerned the net's purpose for the next several days is photos of kittens which is it.
posted by skycrashesdown at 10:55 have always been on 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

OK, i am aware there is like a complete long thread between this comment and now and it's really maybe not super appropriate, but...

You see, we accustomed have long locks into the back and brief hair in front. And I seemed GOOD. When I did it, it absolutely was means ahead of the audience, plus it certainly don't have a name.

Are you currently a guy? «way prior to the crowd»? I am convinced hockey locks debuted into the late 60's and I guess perchance you were there but i do believe you underestimate the popularity with this haircut and maybe have not lived in small-town Ontario.

If you're a woman, well, nevertheless, it really works for a few people and never for others but once again, if you don't had this haircut in 1958 you're maybe not in front of such a thing.

Nevertheless, whatever stereotypes i may keep company with said haircut, we'll simply take your word for this that it worked for you. However it most surely has a name, specifically a mullet and also to an inferior level it had been called hockey locks for a period even though the modern hockey hair is more long all over. Maybe your hair was very different and I've completely misinterpreted.

As for spine tattoos, yes, we ought ton't label individuals especially with misogynist labels but artistically the complete lower back tattoo genre is pretty trite and overdone. Plainly some individuals had them ahead of the whole label also existed, but here its.
posted by GuyZero at 10:55 have always been on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

«tattoos are our younger selves' way of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»

Thank god we never ever got a tattoo. The younger me personally was a smug privileged jerk with libertarian leanings.
posted by rocket88 at 11:03 AM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

artistically the entire spine tattoo genre is pretty trite and overdone

on threat of derail, I do not understand this, and I cannot even understand the derision towards tribal tattoos. Whenever we hear people talk about others tattoo alternatives in a nasty method since they're «done» that way, it just means they are look super parochial and trend conscious.
posted by smidgen at 11:07 have always been may 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

Can it be reasonable to say it is kind of a peripheral argument about conformity and course? Because this will be in all honesty probably the most confusing thread i have ever seen.
posted by lattiboy at 11:12 have always been on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Yeah, how is it decided which things are «bad» since they've been «done» way too many times? Jeans have already been popular for how many years now: do people call them trite?
posted by LindsayIrene at 11:14 AM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]Not going to wade in to the raging argument right here, but i am going to take the time to discuss the overall belief of anxiety about regret maintaining one from getting a tattoo. While permanency is something to just take into hefty consideration, if you find a design you like at the same time which it's meaningful for you, don't allow that fear of the near future help keep you from following your desires.

Years ago we worked at IBM with a very good guy who had been a born-again Christian — not my case, but he wasn't overbearing along with it, he just took it as something that offered personal convenience and guidance to him, that we respect. Anyhow, their arms were covered in ink from before he dedicated himself to Christ, not a cohesive sleeve, simply years of piecework obtained as whim dictated. A number of it was obscene, countless it absolutely was medication related, including a giant pot leaf smack in the center of one forearm. Included in his rebirth, he had abandoned all intoxicants and was determined to help keep side for a lifetime.

One day, while we had been making idle chatter, we asked him about their different tats, and whether he regretted getting them. He stated, roughly, «Not one bit. I acquired them as a result of whom I happened to be then, which is what they represent. Once I was born once again, i obtained that one...» — and he pointed to at least one done round the pot leaf that said 'NO CONSIDERABLY KILLER BUD' — "… to represent me personally now, and it had been done. It is not one thing We'd do now, but it is done, it is my past, and it's an integral part of me like a scar. No regrets."

That influenced my thinking a whole lot, and was at my head when I finally decided upon something which meant sufficient in my experience to have my very first one — a process which, for me personally at least, made me fear future regret also less. It was on my top left supply, in a «safe» area. I acquired an extra one which's meaningful if you ask me in a more apparent area, my inner forearm, when my wife had been pregnant with my daughter to express that life transition. I just've been concentrating heavily on enhancing my health insurance and life-style. We accustomed consider over 300 pounds. After many years of fight i am presently just above 210, with a target of 200. Once I arrive at 200, i'll get myself a 1/2 or 3/4 sleeve with a rebirth motif to represent that success and alter of life. A sleeve is a large commitment, and something I'm alert to the possible future implications of and regret for when I age. However, I'm prepared to do so. It's me now, and will represent me personally now as time goes by. Done.
posted by jammer at 11:17 have always been on 13, 2015 [36 favorites]

Jammer, many thanks with this! I am on my method to a tattoo consultation appointment literally right now, and also this thread has given me some heebie-jeebies. But screw that. I'mma do what I want.
posted by witchen at 11:21 AM may 13, 2015 [6 favorites]Thank god I never got a tattoo. The younger me personally had been a smug privileged jerk with libertarian leanings.

S*M*U*G L*I*F*E
posted by almostmanda at 11:24 AM on May 13, 2015 [29 favorites]

I do not actually purchase that patriarchy is responsible for your bad tastes. Men get tramp stamps too and they're called that when they will have them. It is an ugly area typically covered by bad tattoos. I do not think anybody is without creative critique, I have a few tattoos which would be easy to mock if perhaps you were therefore inclined. I am perhaps not planning to go blaming whatever else if that takes place. We also don't believe anybody ever sees a tramp stamp and think it is a sign anyone will be more more likely to have intercourse with them. Maybe i simply don't think by doing this, but I have no sympathy for bad tattoos. Aren't getting permanent things done when you are a teenager, you are literally perhaps not a genuine individual yet, and you will most likely regret it later. Get tattoos if you are a grown-up with improved taste.
posted by GoblinHoney at 11:25 AM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]super parochial and trend conscious.

Guilty as charged.
posted by josher71 at 11:25 have always been on May 13, 2015

What Jalliah said. We checked urban dictionary and half the definitions fall one wa and half autumn others means but I never ever heard «tramp» used as a substitute for «slut» before. We wonder exactly how that definition evolved from hobo.

you realize, I happened to be planning to let this alone because i did not desire to derail on some disingenuous bullshit, but this thread has me riled and I also'm perhaps not allowing it to get today. I, too, have always been effective at going to Urban Dictionary, and some tips about what I see:

— Top definition: tramp: Any girl who'll open her legs proper, except for me. Most of them.

— 20 terms linked to tramp: slut whore skank hoe bitch ho hooker prostitute tramps cunt hobo easy slag intercourse trick harlot hussy dirty bum tart

— next detailed meaning: The difference between a tramp and a female? A woman lies around and rests; a tramp sleeps around and lies.

So yeah, i will phone bullshit on your own claim and say that there surely is literally no way you could glance at that web page without being disingenuous and also be confused by what tramp means here.
posted by dialetheia at 11:27 have always been may 13, 2015 [32 favorites]

I additionally do not think anyone ever views a tramp stamp and think it's an indication anyone could be more likely to have sex using them. Perhaps I just do not think that way

Yeah it's that thing in which you /= everyone. People inside really thread have copped to convinced that method, and *the title fucking comes from somewhere* doesn't it?
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 11:31 AM on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

permanent modification with their human anatomy of one thing with no real relevance for them other than 'Butterflies are pretty!'

I think your overall point is right on, but it's well worth mentioning that butterflies particularly tend to be healing iconography.
posted by batfish at 11:33 AM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

"So yeah, my goal is to call bullshit on your claim and state there is literally no chance you could have a look at that page without having to be disingenuous and in actual fact be confused by what tramp means here."

Uhm, maybe you misread the things I had written?

"we checked metropolitan dictionary and half the definitions fall one wa and half fall one other way but I've never heard «tramp» getting used as an alternative for «slut» before." (emphasis mine demonstrably.)

I'm stating that Urban dictionary lists both definitions and it demonstrates the trump = slut meaning is typical. At exactly the same time, in my individual experience, I've never ever heard it getting used this way which is just what Jalliah pointed out: that it is not a term that's used everywhere which explains why I became surprised.
posted by I-baLL at 11:35 AM may 13, 2015

Yeah, and you also're nevertheless inappropriate there because 90per cent associated with the definitions are sexist bullshit about sluts. But sure, just because one definition on the website listings the hobo definition, I am able to observe how you'll totally be confused about why all of these slutty hobos are suddenly getting tattoos. Jesus christ.
posted by dialetheia at 11:37 have always been on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]The Lady and also the Tramp thing has been cleverly done.
posted by thingamarob at 11:39 AM may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]My lower back tattoo is a Milan Kundera estimate. I believe I became 21, in a relationship with a philosophy major, and thoroughly enjoying being very very severe. And I also was mightily frustrated by the advent of «tramp stamp» as a descriptive phrase because a) Kundera could have had crappy characterizations of women in their novels however it seemed extreme to slut-shame them and b) have you been fucking kidding me personally that still another decision a female makes regarding her human body has become fodder for casual-but-shitty judgmentalism?
posted by spamandkimchi at 11:39 have always been may 13, 2015 [9 favorites]Tramp is a really 1950s, socially appropriate term for «slut». From the my Mom calling some woman We knew a tramp. There was no mistaking the intent.

It is without a doubt little utilized nowadays, nevertheless the idea that it's not especially referencing «easy women» is laughable.
posted by lattiboy at 11:39 AM on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

We certainly and vividly remember the expression «she was dressed like a tramp» in a set of scholarship meeting notes from the 70s I'd to examine at a job.
posted by griphus at 11:41 AM on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]could it be fair to say it is kind of a peripheral argument about conformity and class?

Re «tribal» tats on dudes or tattoos generally speaking, yes, i do believe that is a safe statement to create, about extremely mostly. However the initial discussion was about a female's lower-back tattoo, although there exists a bunch of conformity / trendiness and class-signifying luggage here, you can find also—and this will be coming essentially straight from the experiences of the person with that tattoo and it isn't really up for debate—a large amount of sexist shit happening in just how people react to it.

The problem is apparently that while some body getting a tattoo presumably recognized at that time it was (essentially) permanent, therefore might be thought to simply take some eyerolling over its visual uncoolness in stride, it's both unreasonable and shitty to assume that because somebody got a lower-back tattoo when they had been 19 which they must have realized they certainly were becoming a member of decades of individuals sniggering to on their own how this means they need to like anal (no joke, I've literally heard individuals state that). There's a huge distinction between those two reactions while the latter isn't exactly a nuanced class-based review of someone's visual alternatives.
posted by Kadin2048 at 11:43 have always been may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

"Yeah, therefore're still completely wrong here because 90% associated with definitions are sexist bullshit about sluts. "

I'm sorry that I didn't proceed through each and every meaning and counted them. I saw that the first meaning ended up being the «sleeps around» one plus the 2nd meaning had been bull crap on both meanings as well as the first an element of the third definition was the hobo one. And so I said 50% because that's all that we had a need to see. I didn't know it was a standard usage. I additionally never appreciate you placing words in my lips by saying:

"i will observe you'll totally be confused about why these slutty hobos are suddenly getting tattoos."

My point ended up being that I didn't understand that «tramp» ended up being a popular synonym for «slut» and so I examined and found away it was so I said that I didn't understand that. So just why the hostility?
posted by I-baLL at 11:45 AM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

I'd say getting tattoos never been more popular...trendy is certainly one term that expresses that. Out of all the people i am aware, of all age groups, more have tattoos than those that don't. I haven't gotten one for several reasons, but one of my reaaons is that it feels more uncommon to not have one nowadays.

When everyone is inked, the real rebellious move should maybe not get inked.
posted by kgasmart at 11:47 have always been on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

I don't actually buy that patriarchy is in charge of your bad tastes

She just isn't seeking your approval of the woman «tastes.» She actually is asking individuals stop utilizing a misogynist term to refer to her tattoo. As it's vile and intimately demeaning.

The complete point associated with article is the fact that bad tattoos done in one's youth are funny or nostalgic or somewhat disappointing yet not almost as stigmatized as having a bad «trampy» tattoo. Because people are hateful, sexist assholes.

Can't watch for more non-RTFAing «EXCUSE ME, I BELIEVE THE TATTOO IS TRASHY AND ALSO THIS MAY BE THE JUST RELEVANT INFO» articles to chime in and pretend that sexism is not real though.
posted by easter queen at 11:50 AM may 13, 2015 [25 favorites]

I accustomed phone them Tramp Stamps and, so we all accustomed mock them once the type of tattoo that some one was addressing be stylish. I never ever got the impression that anyone around me was meaning anything intimate by it… before day that an extremely creepy acquaintance of my own managed to make it clear he did. That experience surely did take away the 'fun' associated with term and I stopped utilizing it. That has been in the past into the belated 90s… it has been a poisoned term from the time.

Luckily for us I happened to be long ago introduced on Ass Antlers alternative. That we feel is much more on point of mocking what's often a poor tattoo option without the shitty intimate judgement.

So yeah quit to defend the word. There are several examples it is regarded as sexual which this has been regularly demean women. Accept it, end of tale. No body cares about the reputation for the language… it just does not matter provided just how icky the current use is.

Trust me that I'm game for folks doing whatever they want along with their figures for whatever reason and their visual is frequently maybe not likely to be one thing I'd agree with for myself. But sometimes some tattoos are really simply a poor choice. It is like this time you went out using the flock of seagulls haircut… except permanent.
posted by cirhosis at 11:50 have always been on May 13, 2015

[Extended argument about Urban Dictionary should oftimes be put to bed at this time.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 11:50 AM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]My point had been that I didn't understand that «tramp» ended up being a well known synonym for «slut» so I examined and found out that it was so I stated that I didn't know that. Why the hostility?

Yar, all joking aside, we imagine that is a pile-on we could move from now.
posted by Navelgazer at 11:50 AM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

otzi the fucking iceman had tattoos

OTZI: It means «strength» in Kurgan
FRIEND: Dude I'm able to read Kurgan. This means «dumbshit who can get shot by an arrow and die of exposure»
OTZI: God dammit
posted by award bull octorok at 11:51 AM may 13, 2015 [78 favorites]

«The cynical dog had various names during development, including Homer, Rags, and Bozo, before „Tramp“ had been plumped for. It had been first idea „Tramp“ would not be appropriate due to the intimate connotation from the term (»The Lady is a Tramp"), but Walt Disney authorized it was considered safe." (Wikipedia; Disney Archives; Emphasis mine)

Even in belated 30s, the definition/meaning associated with word 'tramp' changed based on which sex you were talking about. If you were talking about a person, the phrase meant transient, homeless, hobo — at worst it absolutely was an insulting way of calling a person a 'bum'. But more often, it had been a cutesy option to reference a 'gentleman of road' (Wikipedia) — a homeless playboy leading a (romanticized) carefree lifestyle on the highway.

But because females 'tramps' (transient, homeless, etc.) were viewed differently than their male counterparts (unsurprisingly, they were frequently thought to be prostitutes) — the word became a derogatory method of calling a lady promiscuous.

This is why the title 'Tramp' was originally reconsidered, but eventually approved — it had been explaining a male character and therefore it designed different things — the (insulting) sexual connotation isn't there as soon as the term is put on a man. FWIW, utilizing 'tramp' to reference males fell away from benefit in 20s (when working with it to refer to ladies became more prevalent).

And that's what makes the expression 'tramp stamp' misogynistic. It sexualizes and shames the location (of a tattoo) on a female's human anatomy; it suggests this location is inherently bad (ie: a signal of promiscuity), but additionally that a tattoo for the reason that location is distinctly female (ie: only promiscuous ladies buy them). And even when it is periodically used as an insult against males it is still misogynistic — a guy with a LBT is a 'fag' and 'feminine' — he's shamed for selecting a 'female' location for their tattoo and/or wanting to convey a 'female' message (about their promiscuity). But more regularly, men aren't shamed or called out for having a 'tramp stamp' because for males — it is called a 'man stamp' (Urban Dictionary).

Honestly, most of us make choices we regret even as we grow older, and tattoos are certainly no exclusion to that particular. But females shouldn't be getting shamed over a spot they chose to get a tattoo — they shouldn't have to worry about guys judging them or making assumptions about their intimate levity from this either. As a transman whom gift suggestions as male, I know i possibly could circumambulate blinking a 'man stamp' and no you might be making assumptions about how precisely much sex i am having with how many lovers. That folks who present as ladies cannot perform some same may be the point — guys whom've sexualized the place of a woman's tattoo have actually certainly ruined it for people females — a lot of who weren't attempting to convey that message anyway but whom now are addressed as if they were. It sucks in addition they definitely have the best to be upset about how exactly it presently affects their lives.
posted by stubbehtail at 11:53 AM on 13, 2015 [31 favorites]

But sometimes some tattoos are really just a poor choice

This is to date from being an objective judgment it's amazing. Some people-- brace yourself-- usually do not care about your preferences.
posted by easter queen at 11:53 AM may 13, 2015 [23 favorites]

award bull octorok: your debt me personally a brand new keyboard. Coffee. Everywhere.
posted by I-baLL at 11:53 AM on 13, 2015MetaFilter is like the tramp stamp of peoples thought.
posted by phaedon at 11:56 AM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]Truly, in a global in which social media holds pictures of each and every celebration you went to in university, the thought of tattoo = shameful gets the shelf-life of yogurt.
posted by Navelgazer at 11:57 AM on 13, 2015Kind of just like the those who think they truly are commenting on looks by saying «tramp stamp,» if they're actually devaluing females. They're maybe not right or wrong, they truly are not really commenting on what they think they are commenting on.

But commenting on somebody's value because of their personal looks is incorrect.
posted by mikeh at 11:58 have always been on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

I remember once we originally talked about her lower back tattoo at the patriarchy meeting and now we thought it absolutely was cool.
posted by w0mbat at 12:00 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]I don't hear the phrase as «slut shaming» especially, because We hear it as invoking «tramp» in a connotative instead of denotative means. From the the phrase rooting kind of at the center period of real life design drunken reality shows… To my ear, it is the general gestalt for the fungible bronzed vomiter in awful club rather than any such thing about her sex life particularly. In fact it scans much more like class shaming to me… Plus, outside of the expression, «tramp» simply appears like an archaism. Just, like, a gender coded pejorative that rhymes inside...
posted by batfish at 12:01 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]I heard this thread is where we dump our most despicable judgements upon our other humans for no other reason than their fashion feeling for the globe to see as a permanent testament to just how embarrassingly wretched mankind really is.

Your embarrassing remarks can't be washed down later young ones, therefore considercarefully what alternatives you would like stuck there for all time!
posted by xarnop at 12:03 PM may 13, 2015 [21 favorites]

[people, drop it indicates fall it, everywhere.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 12:04 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Are you individuals hating on tramp stamps exactly the same those who show up in every thread about appearance + sexism to share with you just how fashion is stupid and you also haven't any?

Regardless, I guarantee every person here that individuals are making cutting judgments regarding the identity and personhood predicated on your appearance or clothing at least once in your lifetime, and it's really your decision whether you need to keep moving the money when you are a public asshole about whoever you determine just isn't as much as your exacting real standards of gown, look and aesthetics.
posted by easter queen at 12:09 PM on May 13, 2015 [17 favorites]

In fact it scans a lot more like course shaming to me

Perha word initially used for poor roving women who were considered to be prostitutes is both slut shaming and course shaming… the planet may never know...
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 12:09 PM on May 13, 2015 [29 favorites]

I love the Charlie Chaplin tattoo concept providing he's keeping a giant plastic stamp.
posted by angryostrich at 12:11 PM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]This can be so not even close to being a goal judgment that it's amazing. Some people-- brace yourself-- do not care about your tastes.

Do you would imagine I do not understand this? The prior phrase I protect individuals legal rights doing long lasting hell they want to. Or are you reading that as «all LBT are bad and due to my judgement ...» I don't even think that. Some is great work. I am more along the lines of hey the snap choice to obtain a shitty cheap tattoo may be a bad concept. So yes objectively there is certainly anything as a «bad tattoo»
posted by cirhosis at 12:13 PM on 13, 2015

I'm more like hey the snap decision to obtain a shitty cheap tattoo might be a negative idea. So yes objectively there is certainly anything as a «bad tattoo»

No, «objectively,» there is not. Should they like their shitty cheap tattoo, it is not.
posted by easter queen at 12:14 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

I don't hear the phrase as «slut shaming» specially, because I hear it as invoking «tramp» in a connotative instead of denotative way.

At least we've graduated to grad-school-level denial of sexism.
posted by dialetheia at 12:14 PM on 13, 2015 [41 favorites]

that isn't just what objective means.
posted by nadawi at 12:14 PM may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]You keep making use of that term. I actually do maybe not think it indicates that which you think it indicates.
posted by kagredon at 12:14 PM may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]we cannot even believe this thread is indeed chock-full of people dismissing this as not being sexism if the fucking name of this thing we're talking about is a tramp stamp (and reading the words 'skank flank' nearly made me lose my breakfast). WTF is being conducted right here these days? Certain, it is totally sexism-free, ladies, my ultra-tedious condescending mansplaining can certainly make every thing clear available!

It's a pretty appalling thread to move directly into. I became likely to say «well at the very least it is pretty front loaded», but there is been a large amount of «no but REALLY».

I am hoping no-one worthwhile leaves over this thread. Once I opened it, i'd simply woken up from having a truly strange dream because my neighbors have now been smashing around upstairs since 6am(THEY NEVER SLEEP). I really examined my bank account after which the calendar because i was convinced i had literally gone back in its history.

This thread checks out enjoy it's from like… 2010 or something like that. Perhaps earlier in the day.
posted by emptythought at 12:15 PM on 13, 2015 [21 favorites]

Therefore yes objectively there clearly was anything as a «bad tattoo»

You mean like, meticulous screening and experimentation has determined the inherent constitution associated with tattoo about which there clearly was a consensus?
posted by Pyrogenesis at 12:17 PM may 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

A tattoo is like a toddler; someone loves it, so that it has an advisable devote this globe, even though it generates numerous others stare in horror and slowly retreat to another side of this room.
posted by delfin at 12:19 PM may 13, 2015 [19 favorites]«Some people-- brace yourself-- never value your preferences.»

But care significantly about your viewpoint on their taste. Anyway, i favor the expression «California Licence Plate». Never as catchy as «Tramp Stamp» (that we think can be as popular because it is mostly because it rhymes) but i prefer it.
posted by MikeMc at 12:20 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

This is certainly to date from being an objective judgment that it is incredible. Some people-- brace yourself-- usually do not care about your tastes.

i am generally not a big proponent of «this is a me me me personally society» or «your moms and dad taught you which you had been a special unique snowflake much too much» variety of thinking, but this thread has actually started to alter my brain making me believe… Yea, some people really had been raised to think that their individual viewpoint about other individuals choices or really anything issues means, excessively.

It is like there needs to be a mandatory class in senior school, like US history, that simply explains that:

1. Your opinion and judgement doesn't actually matter. No one fucking cares.

2. Unless it is about yourself, that is 100per cent your call.

Because yea, some people really do think too fucking very of the very own opinion as something that really has fat or perhaps is a significant judgement on anyone else.
posted by emptythought at 12:21 PM on 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

This has nothing in connection with such a thing, but i am aware a writer who has CAKEFACE across the woman knuckles in a cutesy script type and I also think it is the cutest thing. Therefore adorable.
posted by FunkyHelix at 12:21 PM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]Here's an objectively bat tattoo.
posted by I-baLL at 12:21 PM on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]i am convinced the tattoo I saw of the Tasmanian devil jerking off is objectively bad but i can not prove it.
posted by josher71 at 12:22 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]Maybe individuals are getting confused in regards to the undeniable fact that you don't need to like someone's tattoo to allow them to relish it…? Such as the individuals who state «it's a LBT, definitely it is for other people» believe that anyone first got it so that they could pass judgment on it? We dunno, I'm stumped.

Metafilter, your middle-class, scolding bourgie taste preferences are not universal, that is all i have got.

But care significantly regarding the opinion on their style

Yes, in that they desire they had more faith in humanity because they hadn't check this out damn thread.
posted by easter queen at 12:22 PM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

Objectively Bad Tattoo
posted by griphus at 12:22 PM on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]Your embarrassing responses can't be washed down later on young ones, so think about what choices you want stuck here for all time!

Literally guys
posted by phaedon at 12:23 PM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

Oh, additionally, more on Otzi's tattoos:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17469-worlds-oldest-tattoos-were-made-of-soot.html
posted by I-baLL at 12:24 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Objectively Brad's Tattoo
posted by cortex at 12:24 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]we see many people saying «she's perhaps not mad during the patriarchy, she's angry at these youthful alternatives she regrets», as though it weren't because of the patriarchy that those regrets occur. Would she regret the woman back tattoo if it weren't therefore widely considered an emblem of promiscuity? We'll never know, because not even Stephen Hawking can map a road to that synchronous universe. I understand that after I see a lesser back tattoo, the words «tramp stamp» pop music unbidden into my head, because that's just how powerful memes run, and I fucking hate it, but there its.

The reason individuals think spine tattoos have been in bad style is because they are sexualized and now we often give consideration to very sexualized things declasse. The main reason individuals think butterflies on ankles and dragonflies on backs are tacky is really because those pictures are feminized, and we tend to treat feminized imagery with less respect. It's absolutely impossible proper to split up their acculturated distaste through the tradition into that you simply are inculcated. That's why individuals mention the patriarchy. That is just what the patriarchy is. Oahu is the thing that lets you know that woman stuff is stupid. Some women get tattoos on the ankles, and most guys typically wouldn't, because of the remnants of Victorian intimate mores from an occasion as soon as the possibility for seeing a woman's ankle had been extremely risque. Our tradition tells us it is woman stuff, and girl stuff is stupid and intimate, therefore we think it is stupid and sexual.

In which do you consider your tastes originate from? They do not spring completely formed from the unimpeachable core of the perfect individuality. Your tastes are your culture's preferences. When you think something is in bad taste, it's because it is culturally unacceptable, and this tradition is rooted inside disapproval of women and ladies' sexuality. I am not saying it's impossible that without patriarchal impact, you'll nevertheless hate back tattoos. I am saying that it is absolutely impractical to separate the patriarchal influence from your hatred of straight back tattoos, because that misogyny is foundational to your cultural perception. It is included in you and you'll never get it out. Top you can certainly do is notice it and resist it.

It's not necessary to like right back tattoos; you can hate all of them you would like, also it doesn't make you a misogynist. I don't think We'd get one. It is simply vital that you know that some part of why you hate them is really because this culture hates ladies. Perhaps this is the largest section of why you hate back tattoos, possibly it is the smallest part, but it's never not a part of it. If you should be perhaps not earnestly accounting for that part, it's going to certainly wield more influence over your tastes than you possibly might choose. Cultural mores are more powerful than your unconscious assumptions, nonetheless they're no more powerful than your conscious thought, therefore maybe simply keep thinking about it.
posted by Errant at 12:25 PM on 13, 2015 [215 favorites]

FTFY for men:

They are emblems of these stupidity and conformity. It is fine to make enjoyable of these, because it's like a visible tag that someone thought it was a good idea to make a permanent modification with their human body of something without any real relevance to them besides '[tebori style dragons/panthers/Sailor Jerry flash are [badass]!'

As well as for everybody else arguing your spine placement is about doggy style? I have got thin arms and legs, soft parts elsewhere which could expand or contract and will surely droop with age, and wear camisoles and strapless dresses. If I desired a good sized, flat canvas that wont age terribly, you better think the lower straight back would appear like a fair fit.
posted by blue suede stockings at 12:26 PM on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

1. Your viewpoint and judgement does not really matter. No one fucking cares.

Yet MetaFilter remark threads still exist.
posted by MikeMc at 12:26 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

FWIW, making use of 'tramp' to refer to men dropped away from favor inside 20s

No, it proceeded well after dark 20's: see Otis Redding and Carla Thomas's track «Tramp» from 1967, and Salt-n-Pepa's song from mid-80's (which samples the former).

Both function males using defiant pride in being called a tramp, ie promiscuous and commitment-avoiding, by women, though there is also a course element to Redding's song, exactly what together with footwear, overalls, and locks being section of why is Thomas accuse of him being a tramp.

But individuals popping to the thread to declare that they will have never heard it accustomed slut shame ladies is a lot like people popping into threads on road harassment to declare that they've never seen it. Or like claiming that they've just ever heard «porch monkey» always explain playful and mischievous kids, perhaps not black colored people. In both cases, just what performs this little bit of information add to the conversation? It's asking a great deal of the folks who are telling you about their experiences to request which they shouldn't see these counter-examples as an endeavor to diminish the issue and dismiss those suffering from it.
posted by lord_wolf at 12:27 PM on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

Having been mixed up in BME scene for years and having tattoos myself i have been having this conversation for decades. There are several those who are truly in it's their human anatomy and they can perform any such thing they want no matter how self destructive camp. And seldom does which means that just unsightly or beautiful…

But speak with any established tattoo artist. Yes there is certainly anything as a negative tattoo. And usually they are done by individuals who hardly know what they actually do. Where the tattoo hardly ever resembles just what the customer had at heart when the process began. Which will diminish and or get diseased. That have been perhaps not completed with much care or hygene.

And people are the tattoos which are done cheaply and on a whim. By someone who has no respect the art or even for your preference.

Therefore yes there clearly was objectively bad tattoos.
posted by cirhosis at 12:27 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Objectivist's Rad Tattoo
posted by griphus at 12:27 PM on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]Objectively Bard Tattoo
posted by Navelgazer at 12:27 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]I when spent a hungover time viewing a marathon of a bad tattoo hide truth show. While by definition none associated with tattoos might be objectively bad, we question usually the one the man did on himself of your dog in a party cap having said that «Party Dog» under it might have many fans.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 12:28 PM on May 13, 2015 [44 favorites]Ok, you winnings. An infected tattoo is a poor tattoo. *slow clap*
posted by easter queen at 12:28 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]This one too.
posted by Navelgazer at 12:28 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Bulgaroktonos, that's fucking hilarious and I do in fact kind of like it.
posted by easter queen at 12:29 PM may 13, 2015 [12 favorites]i acquired my first tattoo in 1980, at 20. Whenever hardly any females had tattoos. But I've always liked doing items that I wanted to do whether they had been items that were deemed become ok for females or girls. I acquired my second tattoo 7 years later, and my third tattoo 11 years from then on. Then in 2001, I began doing a bit of work that evolved and evolved and today I do not learn how to count the tattoos that I have, but i shall mention that people who generally dislike tattoos usually compliment mine. I am proud of that.

My very first tattoo is now old enough become President. Still looks good, however. I am happy with that, too.

She does not like having the woman dragonfly called a Tramp Stamp. My means to fix that epithet was to get an extremely big piece on my lower back. I don't think you'll phone it a tramp stamp if it goes from hip to hip and from tailbone to waistline.

People (often people who have no tattoos) call my tattoo work «tats», and I also don't like that. I didn't get my tattoos done in prison therefore I do not think they truly are tats. But i can not stop folks from doing it, therefore I just shrug it well.

There is this terrific novel called Electrical Michelangelo, that informs the tale of a tattoo musician. Among the things that's said in guide is among the first rules of tattoo work is «Thou shalt get accustomed to it.» I have one tattoo that I would change significantly basically were to complete it once again. But whatever, i obtained always it.

I think she has to go on.
posted by janey47 at 12:29 PM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

So yes there is objectively bad tattoos.

This is a separate discussion, but, just as a reference point for when the appropriate thread comes up to go over tattoos and creative critique, you are incorrect.
posted by maxsparber at 12:29 PM on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

So yes there was objectively bad tattoos.

I think you merely should bold the entire phrase, then you will end up correct
posted by invitapriore at 12:30 PM on 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

Therefore yes there clearly was objectively bad tattoos.

Yea, but it's pretty clear that is not just what anyone else bringing this up meant. They designed «There's tatoos by which i disagree with all the artistic merit regarding the image, which therefor as a result of my own viewpoint somehow converts them to objectively bad via my mental leap quantum enunciator», or various other such dr. who-esque unit.

You are the only one to help make a compelling argument for such a phrase also existing to date. Absolutely nothing objective ended up being stated before this, just plenty of smug farts.
posted by emptythought at 12:30 PM on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

There's tattoos and there is uh, THOSE form of tattoos.

simply go to the subreddit «Badtattoos» if you wish to see what I mean.
posted by jeff-o-matic at 12:30 PM may 13, 2015

Fine. I'm very sorry easter queen. You are able to win an argument that i truly want we weren't having.

I have zero belief that anyone has to value my opinion.

But it doesn't suggest i cannot have my personal viewpoints.
posted by cirhosis at 12:31 PM on 13, 2015

«Party Dog»

«So what do you want to change it with?»
«I do not want to change it. I want you to give it life.»
posted by griphus at 12:32 PM on 13, 2015 [74 favorites]

Yeah, this really is simply turning into another thread in which males decided their personal tastes tend to be more crucial that you discuss versus subject regarding the thread. Somehow that always occurs in threads in which the topic is the connection with women.
posted by maxsparber at 12:32 PM may 13, 2015 [42 favorites]«Party Dog»

I definitely love that he regretted not the thought of Party Dog, but which he don't simply take the execution of Party Dog seriously sufficient to start with to have it done in color by an actual artist. Please offer me every one of the info you can about that individual so I can monitor him down and propose to him.
posted by almostmanda at 12:33 PM may 13, 2015 [65 favorites]

MetaFilter: in the same way a guide point for as soon as the appropriate thread arises [...] you're wrong.
posted by griphus at 12:33 PM may 13, 2015 [10 favorites]Also wow, this thread actually has everything. There is even the obligatory «Sexism/racism isn't the matter here, it's classism!» hail mary play. We'd ask why folks are therefore determined not to start thinking about so it in fact is those ideas which woman is not just regretful and wanting to pin it on everybody else, or attention whoring, or whatever they think… but that is both semi-impossible to comprehend for me, and i also understand it happens every god damn time.
posted by emptythought at 12:34 PM on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]Look… i'm very sorry everyone has been offended with what I had to state.

I truly wasn't trying to take control the discussion. I simply feel into the trap of defending a place I do not think I became ever trying to make.
posted by cirhosis at 12:34 PM on May 13, 2015

I don't hear the expression as «slut shaming» especially, because I hear it as invoking «tramp» in a connotative rather than denotative way.

I'm a researcher and lecturer in a division of semiotics, by which these two concepts are prevalent and generally are taught (by myself included) to undergrads, and I don't know just what this is certainly supposed to mean.
posted by Pyrogenesis at 12:35 PM on May 13, 2015 [44 favorites]

Unless a tattoo straight references Ronnie James Dio it's not alert but sound.
posted by Chitownfats at 12:35 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Metafiler: i recently feel to the trap of defending a point I do not really think I became ever trying to make.
posted by lattiboy at 12:35 PM may 13, 2015 [14 favorites]I'm a researcher and lecturer in a department of semiotics, by which those two ideas are commonplace and they are taught (on my own included) to undergrads, and I also have no clue just what this really is likely to mean.

Summary
posted by lattiboy at 12:37 PM on May 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

Additionally wow, this thread actually has everything.

Tramp stamps, skank flanks, icemen, shitty tees, classism, Objectively Bad Tattoos...

(What's an Objectively Bad Tattoo?)

This is where Herve Villechaize appears in a white tuxedo and shoots you inside kneecap.
posted by award bull octorok at 12:39 PM on 13, 2015 [28 favorites]

Additionally wow, this thread actually has everything.

Seriously. To recap the gist with this thread:

— it's not sexist because many females are really sluts
— it is not sexist because tramp is 'gender-neutral'
— it's not sexist because it only means trashy sluts
— it's not sexist because dragonflies are a universal symbol for sluttiness
— It isn't sexist as the writer had written this informative article the attention
— it is not sexist as they are just signaling they prefer doggy-style
— it is not sexist simply because they simply have actually awful style, which taste obviously has nothing to do with gender or sexual mores
— it is not sexist because this foolish woman just regrets her dumb woman decisions

Did I miss such a thing?
posted by dialetheia at 12:40 PM on May 13, 2015 [136 favorites]

Party Dog
posted by griphus at 12:41 PM on May 13, 2015 [86 favorites]just feel into the trap of protecting a spot I do not think I was ever attempting to make

This is a thing that is completely in your control in order to avoid.
posted by kagredon at 12:41 PM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

98 levels ended up being constantly a punchline.
posted by Splunge at 12:42 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]Perhaps a word initially used for poor roving ladies who had been regarded as prostitutes is both slut shaming and class shaming… the entire world may never ever know...

Have your snark, but i don't think the etymology actually reveals whatever's perhaps not already on the surface here, and certainly doesn't pin down what sort of role the phrase is playing. For the record, we loathe the expression, and also have long since figured individuals who make use of it say more about themselves than someone else. I recently never hear it for shaming about sexuality, any longer than say «basic bitch» is.
posted by batfish at 12:42 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Symbols have actually definitions. That's the entire point of a tattoo.
posted by jeff-o-matic at 12:42 PM may 13, 2015(what is an Objectively Bad Tattoo?)

$20, same as in town.

She stated, searching for some humor so she won't have to get rage-smash something at exactly how parts of this discussion 're going.
posted by Stacey at 12:43 PM may 13, 2015 [14 favorites]

Party Dog is in the / arm toniiiiight
Everbody simply / have actually a good tat
posted by cortex at 12:43 PM on 13, 2015 [25 favorites]You missed the one in which we mock conformists for following styles, dialetheia. That never ever has a sexist component.
posted by almostmanda at 12:44 PM on 13, 2015 [20 favorites]Maybe it is simply my age, but mocking conformists for their conformity seems a lot more 90s than getting a Sublime tattoo
posted by prize bull octorok at 12:48 PM on May 13, 2015 [32 favorites]we hated the posers before it was cool
posted by kagredon at 12:50 PM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]People with lower-back tattoos unite! I got a tattoo of a blackbird because I had been through some stuff and I also liked the Beatles song. The musician bought the white record album for the event. My husband to be had been beside me whenever musician sketched out some designs. We overheard him saying to some other client «so exactly how many skulls would you like?», which stays a tale around.

From the the first time We heard some body make use of the term «tramp stamp» and my heart sank when I realized so it could possibly be put on my tattoo, which I nevertheless think is pretty. It is a souvenir from that period of my life and a reminder that I survived. I'll admit that We judge individuals a little if they state they got a butterfly tattoo because butterflies are pretty however if they are pleased with their tattoo, I'm the main one aided by the problem, perhaps not them. Similarly, I do not believe my tattoo is an emblem of my stupidity and conformity however, if you are doing, that is your trouble, maybe not mine.
posted by kat518 at 12:53 PM on 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

oh my god i just realized that MISANDRY would fit as a knuckle tattoo
posted by poffin boffin at 1:00 PM on May 13, 2015 [77 favorites]get snark, but I do not think the etymology actually reveals anything that's perhaps not already on the surface here, and certainly doesn't pin straight down what sort of role the phrase is playing. For the record, I loathe the expression, and have now very long since concluded that those who make use of it state more about themselves than other people. I recently do not hear it for shaming about sexuality, any longer than say «basic bitch» is.

Basically agreed, except that i do believe your expression is pretty clearly classist and sexist close to the top, even though you place the etymology apart. I don't worry that the disembodied spirit of Walter Benn Michaels will haunt me personally within my rest basically acknowledge the part concerning the sexism.
posted by Rustic Etruscan at 1:01 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

[Couple responses removed, let us maybe not begin over from the start right here.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:02 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]oh my god I recently recognized that MISANDRY would fit as a knuckle tattoo

this is something I will try to forget next time my niece's son's daddy's cousin would like to provide me personally a tattoo...
posted by nadawi at 1:02 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

Also easily am truly the only individual here who prefers the first party dog towards the «better» party dog however am prepared to die on this mountain.
posted by poffin boffin at 1:04 PM may 13, 2015 [62 favorites]If absolutely nothing else this horrific trainwreck* of a thread has aided me personally select a place for my next tattoo, because obviously this shit is goin' appropriate in the center of my lower back, now:

Ain't provide A Damn

*except for Party puppy, of course.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:04 PM on 13, 2015 [18 favorites]

This thread does not have pictures of cool Mefite tattoos. Inside my youthfully rebellious and unthinking chronilogical age of 36 i recently had this one made. It is from Ukok the «Siberian Ice Maiden», 2500 yrs . old, and incredibly breathtaking. We also had it done at a spot that's often covered, i can not actually see nearly all of it without a mirror, and I also haven't really told anyone (except to Mefites, now) because I did it for myself.

Also I'm some guy and I also had a tattoo made on me personally which was originally on a female so I guess I'm effeminate now!
posted by Pyrogenesis at 1:05 PM on May 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

we admit that i stared at misandry mermaid for too much time today considering it as a lesser straight back tattoo.
posted by nadawi at 1:06 PM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]The initial party dog is pretty amazing.
posted by josher71 at 1:07 PM on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]I have a dragonfly tattoo.
posted by rtha at 1:08 PM may 13, 2015 [33 favorites]i am a researcher and lecturer in a department of semiotics, in which these two principles are prevalent and are usually taught (on my own included) to undergrads, and I also do not know exactly what this will be supposed to mean.

i will be utilising the terms to distinguish between a dictionary kind meaning additionally the associations around a word. The things I ended up being wanting to say was that if «tramp» means promiscuity, then I think that meaning is notably drained down in «tramp stamp» and there are just markers and associations left (like the tattoo type it self) that don't specially have anything regarding sex.
posted by batfish at 1:08 PM on 13, 2015

Additionally basically am truly the only individual right here whom prefers the initial celebration dog towards «better» party dog I quickly have always been ready to perish with this hill.

You wont die alone. I am talking about most of us die alone but we will all be thinking about initial party dog as soon as we do.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:09 PM on May 13, 2015 [34 favorites]

> «Did we skip anything?»

Well… I believe «It is not sexist because they are simply signaling which they prefer anal» should most likely get another category from «It is not sexist because they're merely signaling which they prefer doggy-style», as the reasons offered were various. (Doggy-style = A decoration that the partner can see during a specific intercourse position indicates you wish to have sex in that place; Anal = A decoration that will one way or another be interpreted as pointing towards an orifice suggests you intend to have that orifice penetrated.)

We cannot think i simply had reasons to form those words for the reason that order
posted by kyrademon at 1:10 PM on May 13, 2015 [17 favorites]

rtha — that is fucking gorgeous.
posted by nadawi at 1:10 PM on 13, 2015 [9 favorites]Part of me wants he previously kept the initial, lo-fi Party Dog on one supply, and got the souped-up Party puppy on the other supply. Everyone wins!
posted by Ben Trismegistus at 1:11 PM on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]Also I'm a guy and I also had a tattoo made on me which was initially on a female so I guess i am effeminate now!

Nah, you are just another white man appropriating the culture of native individuals and women.
posted by MikeMc at 1:11 PM on May 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

I am a researcher and lecturer in a department of semiotics, where both of these ideas are commonplace and tend to be taught (on my own included) to undergrads, and I also don't know exactly what this is supposed to mean.

the way you ever surely got to show a course in such a thing is totally amazing.
posted by The Bellman at 1:12 PM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

Tattooing 's been around for a lot of a huge number of years, the reasons individuals get tattooed are numerous once the individuals by themselves, if you've got an urge to project thought motives upon strangers which you encounter with tattoos then that reveals a lot more regarding the mindset than theirs.

Yeeeeaaaaah.
I've been lips agape through this entire thread at the assumptions being thrown around here.

I am talking about, I grew up in Byndök, Oregon therefore lots of people for the reason that area, from so many different backgrounds, had tattoos with such a number of wonderful, individual, societal, historical, genealogical, mythological, symbolic, fun, playful, high, often sorrowful, etc. etc. tales behind them… Yet evidently, more and more people on seeing a tattoo, in place of think, «awesome, this individual I do not know has tales I can't also imagine,» alternatively wish to argue in favor of a two-syllable pejorative that makes them appear to be cats barfing up raw grass they simply ate? Really?

Damn. You're missing life.
Nota bene: at no point do I recommend available asking random people who have tattoos what they mean. As an alternative, take to assuming the most effective as opposed to the worst. Perhaps someday someone with a tattoo/tattoos will inform its/their story/ies of the own volition, and you may discover just one more neat thing. As was done in this thread.
posted by fraula at 1:13 PM on 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

You understand, we instantly remembered something from my personal tattoo. Once I went in getting a giant f****** honking supply tattoo, the tattoo artist proposed perhaps i will get something little in the exact middle of my spine. As a starter tattoo. So while I nevertheless think it's an awful range of terrible positioning, it's worth taking into consideration that some of the women who got those tattoos could have gotten them because sexist tattoo artist wanted to be dicks.
posted by corb at 1:14 PM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]I don't have any tattoos yet, but i will be not moving up the opportunity to state that I have no skin within game.
posted by almostmanda at 1:14 PM on May 13, 2015 [10 favorites]I have a tattoo on my back and I also literally had no concept I became supposed to feel bad about this. Turns out there's a long list of awful things I'm supposed to think and start to become as a result of it, that are utterly shitty. Therefore, uh, many thanks for that metafilter.

that is all stupid since the back is an incredible place for a tattoo. Look at this and also this including (links are to paintings by Rubens), see that triangle of flat skin throughout the straight back for the pelvis? That's where my tattoo is, just like a number of other ladies. We gain and shed weight sometimes and, no real matter what takes place, your skin under my tattoo continues to be relatively flat and tight (unlike just about all else). This is actually the kind of forward thinking that should be celebrated perhaps not reviled.

(as an aside, my tattoo is of the moehog which still rules just as much now as once I first started using it)
posted by shelleycat at 1:16 PM on 13, 2015 [18 favorites]

it's a totally fine place for a tattoo. women's physiology generally speaking makes curves and such look good there, it's a good fleshy part of the human body, if it stretches weird as we grow older it's simple sufficient to hide. the only issue aided by the lower back tattoo is individuals fucked up responses to it.
posted by nadawi at 1:16 PM on 13, 2015 [17 favorites]I do like this this thread is finally changing into «MeFites showing off their tattoos.» I do not have a tattoo, but i enjoy them and would totally get one basically can find one thing I didn't mind A) having on me personally forever and B) needing to show people We meet the rest of my life
posted by JDHarper at 1:20 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]i am going to remain true and state that in university I drank a whole lot and had sex with an increase of males than I can count and I also don't have a tattoo. Generally there.
posted by waving at 1:20 PM on 13, 2015 [12 favorites]having to explain to people we meet for the rest of my life

Okay but just think about simply how much hilarity will be involved with explaining Party Dog.
posted by poffin boffin at 1:21 PM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

This thread lacks pictures of cool Mefite tattoos.

Roger that:

I've a seahorse/coral-n-stuff half sleeve, ideally become extended to my wrist with an increase of rad ocean animals by the end of this year.

I have a *gasp* butterfly tattoo.

I acquired them both for no explanation besides simply because they're pretty.

The butterfly/wisteria is a coverup of old 90s, defectively performed tribal-ish sunlight tattoo I mentioned in a previous comment. (guy I had to dig straight back through old Facebook pictures discover that!)
posted by misskaz at 1:21 PM on May 13, 2015 [16 favorites]

Well i am talking about there are even worse tattoos.
posted by the uncomplicated soups of my childhood at 1:22 PM on May 13, 2015Batfish, I now see where in actuality the confusion comes from. There is certainly a standard misunderstanding about both of these concepts, which is fundamentally that there's the genuine meaning associated with term, including you will discover in a dictionary, and then there is simply this additional idiosyncratic fluff around it. This basically has it backwards. Connotation might as well mean «the way the word is obviously used», and denotation is how the word had been, sooner or later ever sold in a particular society, enshrined in a specific form of cultural artefact, such as a dictionary.

Granted, Barthes for starters used it mostly as you describe it, but I do not think his is the common understanding today, mostly because a cultural artefact such as for example a dictionary is not the primary determinant of a language; rather, town of speakers is.
posted by Pyrogenesis at 1:22 PM on 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

I became gonna publish a photo of my tattoo but realised I do not actually have one. We worry so little about how it appears with other people I never also thought to just take one, although I had it done about 13 years back. Actually i love just how it seems above anything.
posted by shelleycat at 1:23 PM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]I became planning to publish an image of my tattoo but recognized that sexism means I fear the web and any possibility for my genuine identity exposure because i would get s***** death threats. Ah well. We'll save yourself it for the next meetup.
posted by corb at 1:25 PM on 13, 2015I have actually a, uh, spine tattoo. From memory it involves a huge eyeball, a set of outstretched hands, palms up, a question mark, some fearsome canines over my butt crack, and snakes.

no body ever calls it a tramp stamp for some reason.
posted by louche mustachio at 1:28 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

Essentially consented, except that I think your expression is pretty demonstrably classist and sexist close to the top, even though you place the etymology aside. I do not worry your disembodied nature of Walter Benn Michaels will haunt me personally within my rest if I acknowledge the component concerning the sexism.

Ha! Aren't getting haunted! We dunno. If there were an epithet selecting in, say, the top hair of big-haired southern females, wouldn't it be sexist in virtue of choosing on only females? Possibly, not, but it hardly appears explanatory of anything to state therefore. To me anyway. On the other hand, something similar to «cougar» manifestly is both sexist and «slut shaming» in that it unambiguously implies a double standard about women's behavior and sexuality...
posted by batfish at 1:30 PM on 13, 2015

[To be clear, if you would like mention the content in a non-«and listed here is the situation with Metafilter!» method making it clearer that you know there has been a few hundred reviews of conversation already, that's not an issue. Nonetheless it needs to be that, and not not-that.]
posted by cortex (staff) at 1:30 PM on 13, 2015Oh! And (ironically) I almost forgot towards the one that really does express one thing apart from «oooh pretty»: my buffalo tattoo because i am from Buffalo (featuring lighting bolts and movie stars referencing the town of Buffalo banner). The program is, that leg is for flash/old school type stuff, making the greater painterly focus on my other limbs.
posted by misskaz at 1:31 PM on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]I became planning to publish an image of my tattoo then again noticed that sexism means I fear cyberspace and any possibility for my genuine identity exposure because I might get s***** death threats. Ah well. I'll save your self it for the following meetup.

Yup.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:31 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Sometimes i will be actually dense. I understand they are generally referred to as «tramp stamps» and I understand what «tramp» generally speaking means but We never made the connection with sensed promescuity. I understand. Dense.

Now I know and I wont utilize that term any longer and I also want to thank people who have reminded me that what other individuals do with/to their bodies almost certainly has nothing at all to do with me personally and so I should mind my personal damned business and never judge them.
posted by cooker girl at 1:31 PM on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

misskaz, that butterfly tattoo is great! I like the way the outlining helps it be look some 3-dimensional, like art is sitting over your skin.
posted by JDHarper at 1:32 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]people inside very thread have actually said that this form of tattoo makes them think that the women like certain types of intercourse and are usually a particular form of drunken trend follower — i'm not sure ways to argue the sexism from the phrase.
posted by nadawi at 1:32 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]I revealed my friends this article and another of those advised your tribal tattoos be referred to as «douche hoops». Please spread the term.
posted by numaner at 1:33 PM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]This thread lacks images of cool Mefite tattoos.

You often will write out my tattoos through upper body hair.
posted by griphus at 1:34 PM on May 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

Also basically have always been the only person right here whom prefers the initial celebration dog towards «better» celebration dog however am willing to perish on this hill.

Nah i'm with you. Many of my buddies have «shitty» tattoos like that, people. Many of them lived in a party household in which every person got that tattoo one evening, a few of them had somebody or closest friend or whoever do it in certain silly situation, some achieved it by themselves.

In the event that you purchase in the «tattoos are about memories/meaning» thing at all, that we think is as much as the tattoo-wearer but totally valid, then the shitty variation is means cooler than any redux would ever be. And I also love shit like that.

I could also see a compelling argument being created for getting a coverup that is the exact same concept done way nicer to be like restoring your dads favorite old car and providing it back into him or something like that though.

But yea, +1 on OG celebration dog being awesome as fuck.
posted by emptythought at 1:35 PM may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

Listed here is finished . about it thread: I would personally definitely like to have the ability to have an excellent, nuanced discussion about how exactly sometimes ladies can feel forced to obtain tattoos such as this to enable them to appeal to guys for approval, because used to do proceed through an interval like that in my own late adolescence (most likely because of a total insufficient decent men in my life to refer to) — it was an ill-considered belly switch ring for me, perhaps not a tattoo, but exact same huge difference. It was a crappy some time I thought many crappy reasons for myself while the supply of my value on earth.

But so long as our company is stuck within completely idiotic denial there can also be anything sexist about "tramp stamp" (that we can nevertheless scarcely believe), there's simply no space for that conversation to occur, because every bit of it are going to be utilized as rhetorical ammo from sexism-denying people who want to say «see? I was right! It's all nearly women seeking attention, or actually being sluts, or whatever!»

Since that hypothetical interesting and nuanced discussion towards complex and socializing patriarchal and/or sex-positive ideas which may influence some ladies getting e.g. a highly sexualized tattoo reaches minimum 201-level, and now we're evidently still stuck in preschool here regarding acknowledging sexism, we'ren't gonna reach have that discussion any time in the future. Which can be a goddamn shame.
posted by dialetheia at 1:36 PM on May 13, 2015 [44 favorites]

Thank you, JDHarper! It most likely also looks like that because that photo ended up being from when it absolutely was very, really brand new and notably distended. It is more faded and flat now, though still lovely.
posted by misskaz at 1:36 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]we'll most likely never ever get a tattoo on my spine, or anywhere on my back. It isn't because i am not a tramp or a slut of because i am too sophisticated for that kind of thing or that We value the opinions of random individuals who would judge me because of it, but because I would like to be in a position to see my tattoos without getting (too) undressed or making use of a mirror and peering over my neck!
posted by rtha at 1:38 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]My just tattoo up to now is a self-administered stick-and-poke (it is faded just a little ever since then), but it's certainly offered me personally the bug.
posted by invitapriore at 1:39 PM on 13, 2015 [3 favorites]Party puppy could not judge anybody for his or her tattoo or any explanation. Party Dog just really wants to celebration with you.
posted by louche mustachio at 1:39 PM on 13, 2015 [12 favorites]i'd positively like to manage to have an excellent, nuanced conversation regarding how often ladies can feel forced to get tattoos similar to this in order to appeal to guys for approval

I got mine for form of the contrary reason. I desired never to be anonymous. I've eyes and monsters and unpretty things around me to remind you that i'm me even when my straight back is considered you.
posted by louche mustachio at 1:43 PM may 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

Oh totally, apologies if I caused it to be sound like which was the sole reason for one — i did not signify anyway and attempted to be much more general by including e.g. sex-positive reasons down the road!
posted by dialetheia at 1:44 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]Granted, Barthes for starters used it mostly like you describe it, but I do not think his may be the common understanding today, mostly because a cultural artefact particularly a dictionary just isn't the key determinant of a language; rather, the city of speakers is

I look over odds and ends of barthes' popular stuff, but i am only familiar with the terms from analytic style philosophy of language (in which «enshrinement» theories of guide are truly extant, whatever relationship confirmed normative enshrinement might have to any specific dictionary). At any rate, I was wanting to respond to the things I thought was a misguided appeal to the authority of etymology. And I also appreciate your follow up.
posted by batfish at 1:45 PM on 13, 2015

This thread lacks photos of cool Mefite tattoos.

See,this is in which having the majority of my ink on my straight back becomes a problem.
posted by louche mustachio at 1:47 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

This thread does not have pictures of cool Mefite tattoos.

This is my newest one, that was done during 2009 before my lumpectomy. I'd been considering it for a while and I also chatted to a dermatologist about having the mole removed, and that was a really unsatisfactory consult, and so I place it apart until my diagnosis when everyone began yelling at me, AND THE THREAT OF LYMPHEDEMA MEANS YOU'LL NEVER HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE BLOOD DRAWN IN THAT ARM AGAIN OR HAVE YOUR BLOOD CIRCULATION PRESSURE TAKEN USING THAT ARM OR GO IN A HOT SPA OR FLY WITHOUT A COMPRESSION BANDAGE and I ended up being all i suppose which means no future tattoos on that supply? plus they all stated OH HELL NO so I got it with time for this to heal before my lumpectomy. Oh, and lymphedema is happily easy for me.

The ivy because tattoo is virtually all over my human body now, although this could be the only part that's white. The others is colored like English ivy.
posted by janey47 at 1:47 PM on 13, 2015 [28 favorites]

There is simply not a way all people i am aware with spine tattoos are tramps.
posted by PHINC at 1:48 PM on 13, 2015See,this is in which having most of my ink on my straight back becomes a problem.

This is why you ought to invest the additional few bucks and buy the reversible selfie stick.
posted by cortex at 1:49 PM on 13, 2015 [4 favorites]

So yes there's objectively bad tattoos.

The main thing, I think, is that you want yours tattoos. As soon as, in Los Angeles during summer, I happened to be wearing a sundress that permitted some tattoo watching. When I've said, individuals like my tattoos. A meth head asked me personally if she could see my tattoos and I stated, well, you're seeing some now. She stated, «That's cool. {pause} Not as cool as mine, though.» She proceeded showing me personally some work that I would personally do not have revealed voluntarily. Nevertheless know what? She ENJOYED the woman tattoos. And how fucked up wouldn't it be if she did not and ended up being constantly on offer convinced that someone else's were better? That would be sad.
posted by janey47 at 1:52 PM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]

I do believe you suggest the Belfie Butt Selfie Stick
posted by MCMikeNamara at 1:52 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]Re: appropriation:
Spotted a man at a party some years ago with a vaguely Polynesian supply band.

Me. «Nice tattoo. What exactly is it?»
Dude-bro. «It's tribal.»
Me. «Oh! Just what tribe?»
Dude-bro. ...
posted by Devils Rancher at 1:53 PM on May 13, 2015 [10 favorites]

The way you ever got to teach a program in any such thing is completely amazing.

That actually would make a great tattoo
posted by RogerB at 1:55 PM on May 13, 2015

I'm only acquainted the terms from analytic style philosophy of language

And I'm fundamentally a continental. Truth vs interpretation, and so on. :) there is a strange situation today in which analytic phil of language and linguistics usually do not get along, but every thing past this time will be totally tangential for this thread, therefore maybe a discussion for another one.
posted by Pyrogenesis at 1:55 PM may 13, 2015

I am certainly not certain just what that word means but I'm confident that if you have a picture of a dragonfly tattooed over the cleavage of your ass along with its phallic, patriachal abdoment pointing straight down between cheeks it's giving out a vibe whoever content is partly entomological and partly intimate. It's not an arrow but it's additionally perhaps not maybe not an arrow.

and

Ah, the tramp stamp, also known as the «respect-me-not.»

and

We browse the article twice, additionally the slut-shaming critique does indeed look over like a fig leaf for reflections on youthful regrets. The written text will there be. It's a reputable reading, whether you want it or otherwise not.

and more that I don't feel rereading. are we seriously doing this? is this real life? because this is certainly fucking gross as hell, and I also expected better of the website
posted by NoraReed at 1:58 PM may 13, 2015 [37 favorites]

i've in the pipeline my tattoos a million times but i never gotten them. very first it had been cash, then it was displeasure with my changing body, then it was the neurological damage in my elbows making me personally fear I possibly couldn't sit for a tattoo. and today? i dunno. I believe about them all the time though — things i'll still probably get some good day: one thing from «le petit prince» — even if the hipsters have taken it over. i remember as some girl dreaming of being taken by wild birds (or comets, I assume, since i was viewing the cartoon during the time) far from my abusive home. i started drawing the elephant swallowed by a snake on myself once I ended up being 10 approximately. i took french in highschool simply therefore I could read it in its initial language. i've a framed postcard in my own kitchen to remind me personally of a quote from this I adore.

the indication language 'i love you' hand sign — a memory of a person who was so essential if you ask me and it is now gone.

one thing involving bluebonnets — too involved to essentially enter into.

things I am glad I didn't get: the righteous babe logo
a fairy holding a pentagram
the mormon CTR shield
the weird celtic tribal i designed in the 9th grade
a million punk musical organization logos
tori amos lyrics
my very own poetry
the habits i used to just take whenever cutting
this list continues on, but i'll stop now...
posted by nadawi at 1:59 PM on 13, 2015 [12 favorites]okay but did the thing is celebration dog because that has been truly the high point for the thread.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:00 PM may 13, 2015 [38 favorites]i've a latin term, feliciter (luckily), regarding back of my throat that I constantly ignore (so much so that I had forgotten about after like 30 days and place my locks up, in which my mother saw it and thought it said 'lucifer'). I've the outline of a bison on my hip, my sis has a matching one. And I also have the previous couple of words of this last Calvin & Hobbes comic on my shoulderblade (...let's go exploring), which many people enjoy and numerous awful dudes just take as an invitation to say filthy what to me.

In like a week or two i am having the really excellent city flag of Buffalo on my thigh.
posted by everybody had matching towels at 2:06 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

i've taken a poll! 66.6percent of the home likes initial celebration dog. another 33.33per cent hates things dog. and maybe everything celebration.
posted by nadawi at 2:11 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]have no linkable pictures up now but my back tattoos are of a tiger and a deer inside snowfall. I really like them.

(I am often asked «just what do they mean?» by people seeing them for the first time. In my own case, the actual solution will be, «This one is a tiger and this one is a deer.»)
posted by kyrademon at 2:11 PM on 13, 2015 [20 favorites]

even celebration dog didn't make the rampant misogyny on display within thread OK
posted by NoraReed at 2:12 PM on 13, 2015 [16 favorites]Right — i actually do not have a tattoo, and I do not ever forsee acquiring a tattoo. But i've however had an amusingly fantastic idea for a tattoo, easily had been ever purchased for one in a few weird ransom kind of situation; additionally the idea would indeed be kind of sexualized: see, i've a four-inch scar running just below my bikini line, a horizontal line from the time I had crisis surgery at age 26. The scar isn't noticeable until i am naked, however it isn't precisely faint, either (it's somewhat keloid). So I've sometimes joked that i will tattoo the words «Guests please sign in» beneath the scar.

The explanation i have provided this — even though I'm never gonna really continue and acquire that tattoo — is that I firmly genuinely believe that if I did, other folks could have simply no grounds for shaming me as a «slut» consequently. Despite a blatantly intimate tattoo like this, in a blatantly sexual area like this. Because it's my human body and I also'm doing the things I like with it — in the same way I'm doing the things I as with my human body once I sleep with some body. I've that autonomy. I was created with that autonomy.

Additionally the proven fact that some individuals would decide to castigate me personally as a slut nonetheless for such an option is totally a god-damn issue. Rendering it even more of a problem whenever individuals castigate other women as sluts for non-sexual tattoos in non-sexual areas.

And that's all i need to state about that, except that can come on, «guests indication in» under a scar because spot is a wonderful concept while understand it.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 2:12 PM on 13, 2015 [42 favorites]

Tattoos that are several lines of text appear odd to me. I've never ever liked an entire paragraph that a great deal. And I would not want anyone to read it and start to become like, «Ah… okay… hm. Well. Fine. I've some ideas.» Plus like they'd get it wrong and I also'd say «No, idiot, read it the fuck once more,» and type of shove myself against their face, or awkwardly achieve around and mention the important part that wrecks their interpretation. And they'd be like, «i'm very sorry, it is simply hard to read with all the current freckles and stretchmarks.» I'd become returning to the tattoo parlor to get them to highlight part of it, or just append «dot-dot-dot guess what happens, fuck you» to your text.
posted by nom de poop at 2:21 PM on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]i prefer tattoos. I don't have any, though, mostly because I'm too preoccupied with what i suppose a little number of particular individuals would think easily did. I believe maybe that is kind of linked to the article and what's happening in this thread. The sexism surrounding this form of tattoo (the slang term and additional social luggage) intensifies that, but i believe it might be a similarly fraught issue for women even in the lack of explicitly sexist terminology or associations, given that sexism, human anatomy shaming, and judgment are so a great deal an integral part of everything females have to deal with anyhow.
posted by The World Famous at 2:21 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]i will be psyched by the Buffalo tattoos! I'm from Buffalo and I reside in DC now. There is something for a while where people got tattoos of the DC flag and I've always thought of getting a tattoo where I exchange the stars in the DC banner with buffaloes. I do believe i would like it to go on my upper supply because hometown pride.
posted by kat518 at 2:30 PM may 13, 2015 [3 favorites]This could be the type of forward convinced that is celebrated perhaps not reviled.

It's also a location that is completely included in company use and conservative formal use but which can be noticeable with increased casual women's clothes, generally there's a practical angle for the reason that you have got choices on whenever and who sees the tattoo.
posted by kagredon at 2:30 PM on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Awesome, EmpressCallipygos! We applaud you!

I have always said that i desired «death before dishonor» tattooed inside my upper thigh, yet We never ever made it happen. I did, but get a facsimile of Belladonna's «Loyal» tattoo (on her spine) on my lower abdomen. My really reduced abdomen. And yeah, we totally accept and know very well what you are saying because this tattoo is blatantly sexual in a blatantly intimate area, and no one (not even my then-boyfriend) had any say in it other than me personally for precisely the reasons you state. the autonomy. My human body. (MY spontaneity aswell, although you and I may share that).
posted by janey47 at 2:31 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Nom de poop, I have some poetry tattooed on me personally, in my handwriting although not my poetry. Sooner or later we discovered that I became planning to need to choose from eating the book and getting the tattoos, because bottom line I had a need to ensure it is a permanent element of me personally. Not many can read it, also of those with the chance, as it's my handwriting. But having it's not for any other people, it is for me. It's because these lines (it's 7 different portions of a few poems, some operating to about a paragraph) must be part of the permanent archive. Permanent meaning provided that we live with no longer.
posted by janey47 at 2:34 PM may 13, 2015 [6 favorites]you have actually choices on when and who views the tattoo.

I actually wonder if that's area of the weird reaction right here, especially the tension between it being a supposedly-sexy thing supposedly designed to please males but then the majority of the guys who've 'weighed in' here fall all over themselves to say how little it appeals to them. I can't indicate such a thing particularly but there is some an undercurrent of «how dare that woman think she can deny me use of the woman valuable tramp stamp, exactly how dare a woman have a sexual thing that is not on display to all or any males all the time, well I don't require the woman stupid tramp stamp therefore fuck her anyway». I mean, even when we just return to that very first «tramp» meaning on metropolitan dictionary, it is «any girl who can start her feet proper, aside from me. Most of them.» It is difficult to deny that anger about being «denied» sex is a lot of just what undergirds the stigma around «sluttiness» to start with.
posted by dialetheia at 2:38 PM may 13, 2015 [18 favorites]

i was blanking on belladonna's tattoo and so I went googling because of it and found a note board of men talking about which tattoos «ruined» the pornstars they like stealing content from — which, wow. just more proof the misogyny fire.
posted by nadawi at 2:38 PM may 13, 2015 [11 favorites]found a message board of males talking about which tattoos «ruined» the pornstars they like stealing content from

There was such a comment right here, in fact, that has been thankfully deleted. Jesus bless the mods.
posted by easter queen at 2:41 PM on May 13, 2015 [8 favorites]

I had any sort of accident within the last few few months with left subtle but most likely permanent impacts on form and function of my human body, that will be a fairly heavy thing to come quickly to grips with. The permanent facet of tattoos and my basic lack of creativity has prevented me personally from getting one in the past, but we form of think doing some types of voluntary human body modification could be a helpful thing for me today and now i believe I have a design

anyway, do you dudes believe that OG celebration dog would look good as a straight back piece or is it too low-res to work inflated like that (i suppose it could you should be on a single side in shoulder blade?)
posted by kagredon at 2:44 PM on May 13, 2015 [9 favorites]

I've a stack of fake tattoo paper to relax and play with. I did not understand that «douche hoops» are believed distasteful; I find them just as attractive on guys as other types of tattoos. Possibly it is less towards tattoo as an object in and of itself, but alternatively just how well a design fits your person and character? Anyways my primary real question is, any kind of good online galleries offering an excellent representation of room of tattoo designs?
posted by polymodus at 2:44 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]Many amazing LBT ever. You don't need to blow it imo. Just well sized. Like the panel of a comic.
posted by easter queen at 2:45 PM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]So many individuals appear to be lacking the point with this article. Imagine getting a Hindu gammadion cross tattoo in 1910 and exactly how it would draw 30 years later to possess everybody assume it's a Nazi swastika.

That's an extreme form of just what she's saying. She regrets the woman tattoo because of the connotations this has developed in society which she could not have expected when she got it.

It is something to intentionally and defiantly select a tattoo facing some portion of society's disapproval. It's another to really have the typical meaning of a tattoo you thought was simply ornamental modification out from under you.
posted by straight at 2:45 PM on 13, 2015 [7 favorites]

I am trying to puzzle out where i want it myself, possibly inside of forearm

either that or CLOSE TO THE PALM OF the HAND so i can be like COMMUNICATE WITH THE CELEBRATION DOG YO whenever ppl vex me
posted by poffin boffin at 2:46 PM may 13, 2015 [17 favorites]

additionally PARTYDOG would work as a knuckle tattoo, simply saying.
posted by poffin boffin at 2:46 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]And even the chance of being misread as «part y-dog» is not so incredibly bad. I bet y-dogs are pretty rad whatever they truly are.
posted by invitapriore at 2:56 PM on May 13, 2015 [11 favorites]Never get complete y-dog.
posted by the entire world known at 3:01 PM may 13, 2015 [8 favorites]For about the past fifteen years i have desired «the saints and poets, maybe» written somewhere, but have never decided on a place or a full design.

The best tat I've perhaps ever seen had been on an Australian girl we proceeded an individual OKCupid date with like a year . 5 ago. It had been a small small triangle, on straight back of the woman right hand, appropriate at that fleshy component between your thumb and forefinger (you know, the component you are likely to pinch if you've got a headache?)

Anyhow, when I asked about it, she put the woman thumbs and hands together to the form of Australia, and said, «I'm from Tasmania. That is Tasmania.»

So that's my favorite tattoo.
posted by Navelgazer at 3:05 PM may 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

I'm having a hell of a time finding it, but someone on twitter tweeted something such as «tattoos are our more youthful selves' means of blackmailing our older selves into philosophical continuity»; I think about this theory a lot.

In a larger feeling, many of us are the result of that which we always want.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 3:09 PM on 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

> everything past this time is completely tangential to this thread, so maybe a conversation for the next one.

Plenty of time. We now haven't even started on ritual scarification yet.
posted by jfuller at 3:15 PM on 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

Anyway, I thought the Metafilter knuckle tattoo ended up being LOLBUTTS
posted by janey47 at 3:43 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]Anyway, I thought the Metafilter knuckle tattoo ended up being LOLBUTTS

You're thinking of the Reddit knuckle tattoo DICKBUTT. MetaFilter's is: BEANPLATE (Yes, it requires a thumb — get over it).
posted by MikeMc at 3:47 PM on May 13, 2015

And also the likelihood of being misread as «part y-dog» isn't so incredibly bad. We bet y-dogs are pretty rad whatever they are.
I'm component Scots-Irish, component German, component Y-Dog
posted by NoraReed at 3:48 PM on May 13, 2015 [3 favorites]BEAN PLĀT
posted by Navelgazer at 3:48 PM on May 13, 2015 [6 favorites]i thought the metafilter tattoo requires 4 fingers and it is EVERYTHING. THE. HELL. MATT.

it's ideal for if the mods use their gems to make a fused giant ur-mod
posted by NoraReed at 3:49 PM on May 13, 2015 [20 favorites]

My buddy who was created in Hong Kong and raised mostly in britain and Indiana (i am aware, right?) has a bar code tattoo on back of his neck with the terms «Made in Hong Kong» in club code. I like this one.
posted by cooker woman at 3:52 PM on May 13, 2015 [2 favorites]The Lady and Tramp thing is cleverly done.

That's hilarious. Kudos to whomever had the courage to accomplish this.
posted by a lungful of dragon at 3:58 PM on May 13, 2015

Jesus Christ, what a mess.

I can't even react to certain feedback, but I would like to say a few broad things:

The course presumptions in listed below are fucked. Needless to say 'tramp stamp' is a term to police the intersections of gender and course, and if you don't note that you're either packed with shit or blind. And none of my tattoos--or my self, as a tattooed man--are trendy: I've been a tattoo collector for just two years, and I also cannot spend a lick of focus on exactly what might be fashionable when getting work done. We likewise haven't 'bought edginess': of most my tattoos (sleeves, arms, upper body, feet), I have covered about three or four sessions. I've lots of old tattooer friends, and I also worked in shops, therefore no, i did not buy shit.

I simply can't the life of me figure out why you'll fucking care if a person has tattoos, or whatever they have actually tattoos of (barring something similar to nazi stuff or comparable). And I additionally can't imagine ever thinking less of somebody simply because they adorn their body (or, as it ended up being mentioned, work-out). Like, why do you care? What makes that ok, to help you care? Can you eat fucking soylent and wear a grey jumpsuit each and every day?

It's therefore aggravating to see this type of human body policing going on, and it makes me personally dizzy imagining how plenty ladies feel this all damn time.
posted by still bill at 3:59 PM on May 13, 2015 [22 favorites]

I usually wanted a Plimsoll line tattoo, but definitely it might have to be accurate and functional, and I also'd need to stay static in the exact same form for the remainder of my entire life to enable it to stay so.
posted by tss at 4:41 PM on May 13, 2015 [7 favorites]One time when I've stopped surviving making enough doing some living, I'm getting a tattoo to commemorate my son. He adores Wall-e, and it is likely to be him, Eve, and little mop man holding up a puzzle piece. I am able to just picture him squealing and flapping with regards to gets done. It will be awesome.
posted by FunkyHelix at 5:23 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]My tattoo is in my own profile. It is a very old variation, my straight back is a lot more covered now, and it reaches entirely to my lower back area. As I have noted on this web site before, my eating disorder is all about 35 yrs . old and also the a very important factor I have reliably unearthed that makes my body appropriate if you ask me may be the art I ink upon it. For that reason, with an unlimited spending plan, I would probably have the full human body sleeve. Therefore, not just one regret here.
posted by Sophie1 at 5:24 PM may 13, 2015 [4 favorites]isn't a why dogg just Roast Beef from Achewood
posted by kagredon at 5:34 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]Bring into the thumbs:

/ H A M B and U R G E R
posted by delfin at 5:35 PM may 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

I think you suggest the Belfie Butt Selfie Stick

Well honk my hooter which an actual thing that exists.
posted by louche mustachio at 6:09 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

Aw yes. True story. I obtained my spine tattoo, before tramp stamp was a typical term, when I had an abortion. I am on a tablet, therefore I can not effortlessly link to my remark about that experience, but it's available. But that's the need for it. And so I super duper additional hate the expression, since it's like two times the slut shaming right? First because of the location, then due to exactly what it indicates to me. Yeah, most people who does call it a tramp stamp don't know the value, but i actually do. I actually do maybe not be sorry for the tattoo, it is very significant if you ask me, but I do be sorry for that the positioning is now such a shitty signifier of fictional things. But hey, I'm simply a lady, what exactly do I know from sexist?
posted by Ruki at 6:19 PM on May 13, 2015 [16 favorites]I didn't simply take an image of my butt, but i simply remembered i've temporary tattoo markers.
posted by louche mustachio at 6:35 PM on 13, 2015 [16 favorites]«something from „le petit prince“ — regardless if the hipsters took it over.»
If we will extol the virtues of being non judgmental, can we stop crap like this too?
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 6:58 PM on 13, 2015Men have mocked with regards to their «tribal bro tats,» or their non-English symbolism — «let me imagine, this means 'strength' bro?»

This one means «strength» and this one means «bro.» I am a Strength Bro, many effective of bros.
posted by mullacc at 7:03 PM may 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

my dog's response once I asked her perhaps the new celebration dog ended up being much better than the old party dog
posted by invitapriore at 7:21 PM on May 13, 2015 [14 favorites]brb stealing your beautiful dog
posted by griphus at 7:24 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]gud dogge
posted by NoraReed at 7:57 PM on May 13, 2015«something from „le petit prince“ — even if the hipsters took it over.»
If we will extol the virtues to be non judgmental, can we stop crap like this too?

this could be great. But i do believe it gets, a little, to your heart of what we're referring to. Tattoos will always, above all, personal. Except in horrendous, i-hope-to-god-bygone circumstances, they're always chosen by the topic, who is the only one whom sits there suffering the pain* of it, and that will live aided by the ink to them.

However it is, ultimately, one thing one chooses to mark oneself with forever, which option may have determining aspects, a few of that are bound to be group-identifying, that will confer judgements negative and positive, reasonable and unfair, etc.

I am considering this throughout the day. I do not think my first comment was wrong, exactly, however it definitely lacked the knowing that I have now. My reading now (which it self normally probably at some degree of incomplete and ignorant) usually, yes, the writer definitely fit the label of this young girl whom gets an impulsive LBT when she actually is two decades old — whenever she was two decades old.

She matured since then, as everybody do. But she can recognize the woman younger self, to paraphrase Pynchon, as a trick and an ass, but one she doesn't desire to kick away from her home either. She both does not want to be constantly recognized as the woman 20-year-old self, and doesn't wish the woman 20-year-old self assaulted by sexist assholes. There is absolutely no hypocrisy here. Fundamentally, allow the lady have her very own history and her very own human body and straight back the fuck from it along with your presumptions and judgements.

It is all therefore simple. If only I hadn't must simply take so long to have it.

*personally had one of my many red-letter life experiences getting my own, when I took a moment to identify exactly how single as soon as had been, and thought we would have the pain as an aware choice, where point it became form of ecstatic. Simply my personal experience, though.
posted by Navelgazer at 8:29 PM on May 13, 2015 [5 favorites]

Whenever we will extol the virtues of being non judgmental, can we stop crap like this too?

...i never even know how to react in the event that's everything you took from my remark. cheers.
posted by nadawi at 8:52 PM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]

Just as a warning: the German «Arschgeweih» is a funnier term than «tramp stamp» and does not seem therefore mean-spirited on top, however it is exactly the same semantic industry. It nevertheless provides equivalent 'tattoo on a lower life expectancy course woman and now we all understand how they truly are' subtext in Germany.

Sorry.
posted by Ashenmote at 9:09 PM on May 13, 2015 [11 favorites]

Oh, I don't doubt it. I am sort of astonished your term «whale tail» has not appear within thread until, well, now, great deal of thought's essentially the ditto, utilizing a just slightly different signifier.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:12 PM may 13, 2015Huh. We thought whale end known some one using a certain style of underwear in a fashion that deliberately managed to get stick way, means up above the jeans. If some one is stuck with a permanent whale story twenty years later on, that seems like maybe an entirely different thing than a tattoo.
posted by The World known at 9:26 PM on 13, 2015 [2 favorites]This one means «strength» and this one means «bro.» I am a Strength Bro, the most effective of this bros.

Just never phone them cutie markings until youare looking for a fight.

Or perhaps a new bronie friend.
posted by bonehead at 9:29 PM on May 13, 2015

the patterns i regularly take when cutting

An old buddy of mine who i drifted from had actually intricate amazing victorian picture frames around his cutting scars. Not merely in places normally covered by garments, but close to their arms aswell. And he made a point of using tank tops unless it was like 40 degress out and just rocking them loud and proud.

These people were big keloided scars too, and actually it absolutely was awesome searching and arresting.

Whenever anyone asked why, he'd just say something similar to «how come you retain infant photos of yourself?»

I recently cannot for the life of me figure out why you'll fucking care if somebody has tattoos, or whatever they have tattoos of (barring something such as nazi material or similar). And I also also can't imagine ever thinking less of someone since they adorn their human anatomy (or, since it was mentioned, exercise). Like, how come you care? What makes that ok, for you yourself to care? Can you consume fucking soylent and wear a grey jumpsuit every single day?

It is not simply this that weirds me personally out, it's exactly how deep this thread runs.

Like, here is the form of thing i've heard and know i'd hear from otherwise feministy radical activisty generally ok head-on-straight people and punks/anarchists, etc that would totally look askance at and fart down comments relating to this kind of thing.

It frequently starts off with snarking about bros and trixies/woo girls/etc, after which if anybody mentioned any fashion/style thing related to that they'd come from to essentially respect-me-not type shit until called onto it.

My friends boyfriend simply did an amusing art piece that went «bro's are people too» and in small text «jk fuck those guys» and posted all of it over town. Started some interesting conversations along that thread, wherein as soon as it comes to discussing what you may call the lady form of a fist pumping frat child, some pretty misogynistic shit can come out of perhaps the most otherwise not-shitty people.

We have all their blind spots I guess, but this one has mundanely astonishing depth.
posted by emptythought at 9:30 PM on 13, 2015 [6 favorites]

uh. I thought whale end known someone putting on a specific form of underwear in a way that intentionally caused it to be stick way, means up above the pants. If someone is stuck with a permanent whale story two decades later on, that appears like possibly a totally different thing than a tattoo.

maybe not permanent, but the same connotations towards girl labeled along with it, I think. Plus in both circumstances, we are probably better off cutting that shit out.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:30 PM on May 13, 2015

I'm confident it's misogynist fat-shaming + sex-shaming of females using thongs. Intersectionality!
posted by NoraReed at 9:35 PM may 13, 2015 [5 favorites]Also, the Chaplin tramp stamp tattoo concept mentioned above is a brilliant, brilliant idea.

I think it's been done (unless that is in fact Hitler, in place of Chaplin while the Dictator — i cannot inform through the drawing).

tramp=dirty=woman who dares to possess sex — it's pretty easy to see how it may have occurred.

I usually figured that it originated in the idea that tramps circumvent, in a literal or metaphorical sense.
posted by Dip Flash at 9:42 PM on May 13, 2015

I am pretty sure it's misogynist fat-shaming + sex-shaming of women using thongs. Intersectionality!

Yeah, I cannot also simply take this thread any longer. I'll get compulsively bingewatch Netflix. Continue the good battle!
posted by corb at 9:43 PM on May 13, 2015

Who knew that «whale tail» had unique Wikipedia entry? (GAH.) I do believe the whale in question may be the little bit of cloth, not the woman, since the fabric truly does resemble lobtailing flukes, but naturally it's most likely safer to assume fat-shaming than the absence thereof.

Also, this whole thread, gah.
posted by gingerest at 10:13 PM on May 13, 2015 [1 favorite]

OK, I vignetted out my butt but here is the thing.

I can see why the butt selfie stick is something. Capturing of your butt is difficult.
posted by louche mustachio at 10:48 PM on May 13, 2015 [13 favorites]

Metafilter: the best of the web.
posted by sfkiddo at 11:03 PM may 13, 2015 [2 favorites]Your butt has huge pointy teeth, does jazz arms, and is expressing puzzlement or curiosity. Which one unusual life choice/piece of art you get straight back there. Nevertheless have actually positively warded off «idiotic conformist» along with «tramp stamp».
posted by gingerest at 12:52 have always been on 14, 2015 [8 favorites]However you have actually positively warded off «idiotic conformist» alongside «tramp stamp»

It also wards down poltergeists & most associated with reduced butt demons.

Unfortuitously, it generally does not keep strangers from wanting to pull down the back of my jeans to see what it really is.
posted by louche mustachio at 2:56 have always been on May 14, 2015 [11 favorites]

Last night I made a tattoo appointment for next week. The first celebration dog will live on.
posted by josher71 at 4:11 AM may 14, 2015 [33 favorites]i usually desired to get Kurt Vonnegut's image for «this is a picture of an asshole» tattooed someplace on my own body. I think it might be great as a LBT but the «tramp stamp» stigma has kept me from doing it. Well, that and that I haven't worked up the guts for it yet.
posted by NoraReed at 4:26 have always been on 14, 2015 [1 favorite]i'll imagine that I accidentally stumbled onto a Reddit thread. This is like alternate reality Metafilter, i am hoping to Jesus no newcomer winds up here first and believes this is who we are.
posted by Jubey at 4:30 AM on 14, 2015 [7 favorites]Between this as well as the Nicole Cliffe thread, while this is certainly an especially egregious display of outright misogyny, classism, denials of intersectionality of misogyny and classism, sex-shaming, dismissal of womens' capacity to inform their particular tales, mansplaining, etc, I do not think it's too far from the norm for Metafilter lately.
posted by NoraReed at 5:17 have always been may 14, 2015 [11 favorites]the German «Arschgeweih» is a funnier term than «tramp stamp» and does not sound so mean-spirited on top,

I do not think you could say that should you really said the phrase aloud in a decent German accent.
posted by aught at 5:29 have always been on 14, 2015

The ivy for the reason that tattoo is literally around my human body now, even though this could be the only part which white. The rest is colored like English ivy.

Its such an invasive species its spreading to individuals now!
posted by LizBoBiz at 6:13 AM on 14, 2015 [5 favorites]

> The ivy for the reason that tattoo is practically throughout my body now

Hey hey hey hey! (My goodness, I happened to be young then.)
posted by The corpse inside collection at 7:18 have always been on May 14, 2015

I desired to get Kurt Vonnegut's picture for «this is a picture of an asshole» tattooed someplace on my human body

Hey! I have got that! With «So it goes.» written beneath it. A friend and I also went and got them done when Vonnegut passed. We'd post a photo but apparently using a selfie of my neck is vastly more difficult than We imagined.
posted by Panjandrum at 7:28 AM on May 14, 2015 [2 favorites]

We find it actually confusing that folks can refute that getting a tattoo, of whatever image they have, is not trendy. More and more people have tattoos then in the past in history. Its difficult to get people *without* a tattoo. The trend is to get one or higher. Its maybe not unpleasant to state so, nor usually a value judgement on the ones that have them. It really is a well known action to take though — sorry, counter-culturists.
posted by agregoli at 7:37 have always been may 14, 2015 [3 favorites]sorry, counter-culturists.

No concerns. I am a hipster, anyway.
posted by josher71 at 8:05 have always been on 14, 2015 [1 favorite]

Not planning to wade into the raging argument here, but i'll take a moment to comment on the general belief of concern with regret maintaining one from getting a tattoo.

For me personally, it had been always just the sense that getting a tattoo had been a painful hassle. And actually, the first thing i do believe when I see a tattoo on anyone's anywhere is, «we bet that stung like hell.» Ditto most body modification stuff.
posted by kewb at 8:13 have always been on 14, 2015 [2 favorites]

I believe it absolutely was more people reacting towards assumption that everyone who gets a tattoo is after a trend, which until you're getting a tattoo that's «in» (see: tribal tattoos on biceps), its really and truly just an extremely personal form of self-expression, regardless if its much more popular than ever.
posted by LizBoBiz at 8:19 have always been on 14, 2015 [2 favorites]Yeah, popular isn't exactly like fashionable. T-shirts are ubiquitous, not fashionable.
posted by LindsayIrene at 8:23 have always been on May 14, 2015 [5 favorites]For me, it had been constantly just the sense that getting a tattoo ended up being an unpleasant hassle. And honestly, first thing i believe when I see a tattoo on anyone's anywhere is, «I bet that stung like hell.»

This is in fact why I started getting tattoos — a sibling had been undergoing intensive, painful, extended cancer therapy. Head-shaving in solidarity just don't seem quite painful or life-altering sufficient.
posted by We place our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 8:27 have always been may 14, 2015 [6 favorites]

Its a trend though. Its popular. I never stated such a thing about the variety of tattoo. It is trendy to have one, its in, its a current *thing.* Doubting that is not at all truth. What exactly if it is «trendy?» Exactly why is that bad? Why deny you are into a favorite thing? YOUR tattoo isn't just trendy, as in design, but *getting* a tattoo is absolutely a favorite trend. I have made my point...don't realize the pushback on this one. It isn't a poor judgment on anybody, I do not care if people want tattoos.
posted by agregoli at 8:43 AM on May 14, 2015 [2 favorites]Who knew that «whale tail» had its very own Wikipedia entry? (GAH.)

I actually thought that WP article was… less-bad than We thought it absolutely was going to be. There are some issues—why could you quote some weirdo Christian-right writer when attempting to establish the decrease in mainstream popularity of a fashion choice?—and the «Socio-cultural analysis» area is pretty thin, but sources a couple of books that do not seem to be bad. All in all it absolutely was less «lolbutts» than we figured it absolutely was likely to be. (there is certainly one photo that checks out in my experience as really fucking creepy though.)

It does appear to dancing across the elephant in the space somewhat, which is why womens underwear choices are an object of these general public debate, in a fashion that mens underwear isn't. However, there is also a WP article on sagging, that is type of the male equivalent, though it's much less lengthy and focuses more on legal efforts to regulate it as a practice.

Maybe i simply have very low expectations but i believe that is beating par for internet discourse on an interest that has a huge culture/class/sexism/personal-aesthetic intersect.
posted by Kadin2048 at 8:48 AM on 14, 2015

Wikipedia cites from 2006 that nearlly 25percent of Us citizens between the ages of 18 and 50 have one or higher tattoos. That's got to own gone up since that time. The trend has become to own a tattoo.
posted by agregoli at 8:49 have always been on 14, 2015> sorry, counter-culturists.

Wait, but are not you just apologizing to your self? Because earlier you stated one of the reasons you'ren't getting one is really because it is more unusual never to get one! Or had been that simply a subtexty «it's cooler never to get one now, so's why I do not»?
posted by rtha at 8:52 have always been may 14, 2015 [4 favorites]

Your message stylish has a fairly specific meaning: «very stylish or current in style or influence.» Its a trend that more and more people wear shoes than several thousand years ago; certain varieties of shoes are fashionable right now.
posted by LindsayIrene at 9:01 have always been may 14, 2015I arrived to this thread via a link to a remark about halfway down, and I also will pretend it was such as this completely and simply maybe not see the first half. Yay for photos of MeFite's tattoos! They all are terrific. (louche mustachio, that thing is glorious.) Because of individuals have been here earlier and pressed straight back from the gross comments.

This is my very first tattoo. We intend to add to it, ideally this season, with bubble chamber songs and uncurling fern leaves and perhaps several other material — still daydreaming in regards to the designs. I've a cartoon pipistrelle bat on my remaining calf, drawn by an incredible artist friend of my own, but no good images of that one yet. I am additionally really considering getting this tardigrade drawing tattooed on me personally somewhere, because tardigrades are awesome!

At some time i am going to certainly get a diminished straight back tattoo, since I have plan to just keep covering my epidermis in tattoos until death prevents me. I am perhaps not looking towards getting sexist flak because of it, but I additionally will not allow individuals shitty attitudes spoil my enjoyment in my own body.
posted by daisyk at 9:09 have always been on 14, 2015 [7 favorites]

Incorporating to the positivity of MeFite tattoos, listed below are mine. The very first additionally the second. The foremost is my data recovery tattoo, my reminder to rely on the strength of the actual feamales in my life and never the abstract Jesus, and generally an overall reminder that things have got better. It comes from all of the woods are hers by Hawksley Workman, although the line that a lot of stuck beside me during recovery had been 'what is fallow now will soon deserve poetry's most lovely words', I do not associate myself because of the fallow field any longer, so went for the pun as an alternative. I acquired it done on Boracay, by an excellent script artist and it had been all extremely serendipitous.

The 2nd, well, its a cat that seems like my old beloved cat, but ended up being a Friday 13th flash special. I am going to have things put into it to make it look more like My Cat, but i desired a tattoo, We adored the picture, and so I got it.

Next I'm going to get some good peonies to produce this sleeve. I must say I love getting tattoos.
posted by litereally at 9:20 have always been on May 14, 2015 [5 favorites]

However, there's also a WP article on sagging, which can be kind of the male equivalent, though it's never as long and concentrates more on appropriate efforts to regulate it as a practice.

Sagging, and especially legislating it, has a whole other set of issues regarding policing the appearances of PoC based on the presumption that they are crooks by default.
posted by zombieflanders at 9:25 AM on 14, 2015 [8 favorites]

MeTa.
posted by dialetheia at 10:21 have always been on 14, 2015Well this thread inspired me personally to think really about getting a tattoo for the first time. Love the thought of a tattoo reclaiming my body from the male gaze. I am thinking some caryatids with SLUT written in ancient greek language.

(serious towards caryatids, anyway)
posted by chaiminda at 12:09 PM on 14, 2015 [6 favorites]

This will be my own. Its maybe not small or sexy or girly. Its intense with sharp teeth. She actually is symbolic of power and passion and her spiky tail just isn't an invitation or an «arrow pointing down». It's for the reason that place as it felt like the destination most readily useful able to protect me, I do not understand why. I'd it consistently before I heard «tramp stamp» and if We never ever hear that expression once again it'll be too early. I never anticipated how some guys think about the positioning, and I also've got sexist feedback about it, but We give no fucks. I encounter as extremely inoffensive but there's a spiky part of me personally that not everyone sees. This woman is the representation regarding the element of me that may burn you once you bang with me. Call me a slut — I dare you.

She has a scar running all the way through the woman head now because I had an operation on my straight back. The very first thing I asked the doctor once I came round ended up being «did you screw up my tattoo?» At the time I became healing through the op I happened to be going through personal material and my heart was broken. When I start to see the scar now it's just the main tattoo, merely another feature, therefore reminds me that inside and out I'm scarred but i am healed and I also'm changed but not diminished. I enjoy it.
posted by billiebee at 12:30 PM on 14, 2015 [20 favorites]

Wow, whadda thread.

1) The Lady and the Tramp is an use "The Lady is a Tramp," which very much is mostly about sex.

2) My grandmother had a lower-back tattoo. She got it a few years before she died, but she'd had a butterfly on her behalf neck forever (i do believe considering that the very early '60s, whenever she already had two young ones). She additionally got a ladybug on her hand as well my relative got a matching one on her behalf bicep. Weirdly, oahu is the exact same ladybug flash that my spouse got at 18 on her ankle explicitly to piss off her moms and dads.

3) combined with the strange course material: Larry Flynt hates tattoos on women and sometimes requests them to be airbrushed away. He thinks it creates women look cheap.
posted by klangklangston at 12:38 PM on May 14, 2015 [3 favorites]

Party puppy is everything to me right now. I really like you all. But mostly Party Dog.
posted by Rock Steady at 1:21 PM may 14, 2015 [8 favorites]Has this thread turned into «MeFites showcase their awesome tattoos»? I think this thread has completely turned into that.

Here are some photos of me and my bad-ass cosmic dragon wings. They took eighteen months to include my epidermis from a design we fiddled with for four years before we knew it had been right. They glow under ultraviolet light, and eyes appear in some places included.
posted by egypturnash at 3:59 PM on May 14, 2015 [49 favorites]

Those are definitely gorgeous, egypturnash. (i prefer your own hair, too!)
posted by daisyk at 4:15 PM on 14, 2015Max. I keep meaning getting him re-outlined. It's been… a surprisingly very long time.
posted by rifflesby at 4:46 PM on 14, 2015 [8 favorites](I should explain, louche moustachio, that although your tattoo bewilders me i do believe it is delightful. I am hoping I didn't insult you.)
posted by gingerest at 5:51 PM on May 14, 2015 [2 favorites]Pretentious Illiterate, I love you. And I also would like to keep in mind that i have got you beat because i did not strat to get piercings (apart from one in each earlobe) until I happened to be 40 and, at 55, after having eliminated some for this or that reason, actually have 17, of which 11 are in my ears. Unfortunately, my navel won't hold a piercing. Perhaps not the right shape.
posted by janey47 at 6:44 PM may 14, 2015 [1 favorite]It IS a trend though. It is popular. We never ever stated such a thing in regards to the style of tattoo. It really is trendy to possess one, its in, its a current *thing.*

I think it's more like ladies using pants or cutting their hair short — previously it was counter-cultural, then it became fashionable, then it became an everyday choice. Tattoos have reached the idea of merely another design choice, rather than a present «in thing», generally in most circles. Therefore it is neither rebellious or maintaining the newest trend to go to a tattoo parlor, since individuals of all generations and backgrounds will soon be here. Everything get done might expose something in regards to you, but that you get something done to start with isn't really meaningful any longer.
posted by mdn at 7:23 PM on May 14, 2015 [18 favorites]

This thread had been worth every penny to see egypturnash's amazing dragon wings.
posted by homunculus at 8:34 PM may 14, 2015 [5 favorites]reading an article about bitch planet tattoos and I also had been overjoyed to see two wonderful females rocking their non-compliant lower back tattoos.
posted by nadawi at 8:36 PM on May 14, 2015 [4 favorites]This thread has certainly and definitely convinced me to let go of any remaining prejudice i've about 'flash' that has been probably just latent sexism masking itself as 'purity and authenticity in tattooing' or some such shit. Bang it. Unless it's literally hate message, problematic appropriation or I'm formally invited become an art critic, I don't care.

This tattoo i acquired after biking about 750km, camping your whole method. On pictured bicycle!
...fair warning: when you yourself have literally been biking 8-10 hours a day for weekly, your legs will conform to pump a lot of blood through them. Therefore in the event that you go get a leg tattoo the afternoon you arrive, it'll hurt and bleed over normal.

And yes, this is a lemur in a kilt doing a highland dance. One day I would like to colour into the tartans, probably aided by the Royal Stewart (since that is what I wore once I had been a dancer), but perhaps with all the Newfoundland tartan, because when I grow older my feelings towards my house province have actually changed.

But please, tell me exactly how that straight back tattoo, that we put there when I left my favourite pastime, my closest buddies, and to a large degree my self-chosen title (that of lemur) behind, in order to pull a Janus and often be looking back at how I've changed, is for any other visitors to see. I shall enjoy hearing it.
posted by Lemurrhea at 9:46 PM may 14, 2015 [5 favorites]

«Recently, the tramp stamp was accompanied by the skank flank, a term for a tattoo privately of a women's ribcage—a similarly strategic choice of positioning, with a similarly insulting title. If you are a woman, and also you wish to get a grip on who are able to see your tattoo, that still rankles individuals. If it's noticeable, you'll be judged, however, if you're careful about maintaining it from being too prominent, you will end up judged too. I haven't yet been aware of a term for tattoos on ladies' stomachs, or legs, but i am sure that as a society we will find clever rhyming slurs for those spots, too.»
Gaaaaaawd, THAT.
Once once again, patting myself in the back for having dedication dilemmas rather than getting a tattoo. We often vaguely ponder the notion of having the Tower card from tarot (er, my very own doodle version of it, which can be more chaos butterflies much less corpses dropping from a building), but that might be such a jinx that We never ever will. Plus, my family members would not stop bitching.

But having said that: janey47, your white tattoo is quite cool. louche moustachio, that is perfectly described by gingerest and making me giggle with joy. And EmpressCallipygos, now I can't stop thinking «I got a blank area baby, and I'll compose your title.» I kind of intend you to get that now.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:40 PM may 14, 2015 [2 favorites]


This thread has truly and positively convinced me to let get of any remaining prejudice i've about 'flash' which was probably just latent sexism masking itself as 'purity and authenticity in tattooing' or some such shit

I do not know if it is sexism, but I constantly looked at flash tattoos as just being unimaginative.
posted by josher71 at 12:42 AM may 15, 2015

Man it's difficult to just take a selfie of your upper supply without rendering it look like a huge ol meat slab

Anyway my own is this Cooksonia fossil
posted by award bull octorok at 3:02 AM may 15, 2015 [2 favorites]

As a large fat dude, I have a sudden overwhelming urge getting:

MALE
GAZE

tattooed on my back.
posted by 256 at 9:34 AM on May 15, 2015 [16 favorites]

(and commence using halter tops, clearly)
posted by 256 at 9:35 have always been may 15, 2015 [6 favorites]Also if I have always been truly the only person right here whom prefers the first celebration dog to your «better» party dog however have always been willing to die with this hill.You won't perish alone. After all we all die alone but we'll all be considering initial celebration dog whenever we do.

me personally as well, but I'd wager we are probably everybody whom like XKCD and Dinosaur Comics and so on.
posted by phearlez at 10:59 have always been may 15, 2015

I have all sorts of tattoos and they make me feel sexy and pleased within my human anatomy. The end

They are breathtaking, and I also am jealous. The clematis blossom is my personal favorite of these!

Needles cause panic attacks in me personally, therefore even though I know what i'd get, it is not ever occurring.
posted by MissySedai at 5:33 PM on May 15, 2015

My 26 year old self traveled forward with time to my current self. He said he was likely to get a tattoo. Then several more, one being a tribal scorpion. We stated go for it. It seems like a great idea. I was right. Whom the hell cares exactly what anyone else believes? If the day comes, who's likely to suffer or perish for me personally? Me. That's what counts.
posted by Splunge at 6:18 PM on May 15, 2015I've managed to get to very nearly 39 devoid of a tattoo, mostly because we stress I would hate it within seconds of having it. Recently, though, having started a pork centric restaurant/sausage making endeavor, we find myself leaning towards a (completely unoriginal and seemingly widespread among cook people) outline of a pig and also the primal cuts within my remaining forearm.

Things against: raised Jewish, pig tattoo, bad location for a tattoo on a (former) Jew, mom might stop talking with me, trouble likely to onsen/public baths/joining a gym in Japan, in the event that business fails, having a permanent reminder of said failure staring me personally within the face.

Things for: Sean Connery speaing frankly about Cortez burning his vessels to motivate their men. Obtaining the tattoo as a motivator to ensure the business doesn't fail because of the above reminder. Also, pork. Tasty pork.
posted by Ghidorah at 10:57 PM on 15, 2015 [1 favorite]

I don't understand if this is real but i have already been told the inner forearm isnt a great spot for a tattoo as the skin there was thin, elastic, and vulnerable to changed elasticity as you age, so your extra painful tattoo can end up a blob sooner.
That stated i wish to know in which i will place a tattoo where I am able to consider it without a mirror, but i could get a grip on visibility even in summer time, without blobbing.
posted by gingerest at 12:22 have always been on May 16, 2015I ended up being attempting to remember what these were nicknamed at the time over right here ('tramp' is extremely rarely synonymous with 'slut' in UK, it's utilized more in the hobo sense) and I also remembered: slag tag. Jesus Christ.
posted by mippy at 2:09 have always been on May 16, 2015 [5 favorites]Also, in looking it, I found this. Which a) makes me sad as I've look over the right pieces on Cracked over the years b) type of makes a mockery for the proven fact that they have beenn't seen in a horrid sexist/misogynistic fashion.
posted by mippy at 2:13 AM on 16, 2015Where I spent my youth — perhaps other parts of the nation — 'skank' meant a person who had been dirty or bad, perhaps not intimately promiscuous. I think that is changed in the last few years due to American impacts, but I believe it means 'slut' in the US?
posted by mippy at 2:25 AM may 16, 2015I think skank and slag are used similarly in their particular spheres of influence.
posted by gingerest at 2:56 AM on May 16, 2015«Skank» is a sex-shaming word, IME, though it usually is more simply for a female or girl whom dresses in a manner that is known as «skanky», and I hear it a whole lot more often within the second feeling. I believe i have tried it on myself prior to, in a «I will put on my skankiest ensemble and we'll go get products» way, though i have mostly stopped that sort of thing recently as a result of maybe not planning to resemble LET'S INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY EVERYWHERE. I believe it's primarily garments related to sex-shaming as the secondary function, though needless to say there is a significant component of sex-shaming that accompany misogynistic slurs for exactly how females elect to dress on their own,

«Skank» can be a dance you can do to ska music, which is the easiest dance ever (because it is exaggerated skipping in position) and then the only 1 I have ever mastered, but I do not understand if there is any relationship involving the terms. There undoubtedly just isn't a functional one. An outfit which «skanky» is not always one that is best for skanking in or vice versa.
posted by NoraReed at 3:54 AM on 16, 2015 [4 favorites]

I happened to be wanting to remember just what we were holding nicknamed at the time over here ('tramp' is very hardly ever synonymous with 'slut' in the UK

Tramp is employed here (NI) to suggest slut. I never heard «slag tag» (Jesus).

I have already been told the inner forearm isnt outstanding spot for a tattoo since the skin there was slim, stretchy, and prone to changed elasticity as you age

Years back a friend of mine wanted to get a tattoo of the barcode from a Barbie doll on her ass as a kind of feminist declaration. The tattoo musician suggested her not to ever get it done on foundation your right lines would become somewhat more wavy on her future saggy ass.
posted by billiebee at 8:31 AM on May 16, 2015

when i was 10 or so and other young ones began screaming «skank» at me there was no concern that it was commentary on my sex, perceived sluttiness (i had boobs), and lower class/perceived dirty status. among ladies I have also heard it to explain specific types of dress or behavior — but even though it is employed for self mockery, it is propped on the notion of ladies who are not worth respect because of a complete host of things where the garments are only a tiny part of it.

thanks to beyonce we do not should describe our bar clothing as skank attire or slut use anymore, now everyone get to proudly pull our «freakum gown out [the] closet.»
posted by nadawi at 9:45 have always been on May 16, 2015 [7 favorites]

«Skank» for ska identifies a Jamaican onomatopoeia the stacatto guitar chord; a similar onomatopoeia was provided as a possible beginning for «ska.»

«Skank» discussing a woman first arrived in the usa in the mid-'60s, but are produced by «skag,» accustomed slur females because the '20s.

Most likely not related.
posted by klangklangston at 12:50 have always been on 17, 2015

a lungful of dragon: "Tough audience. Cannot await Toad the damp Sprocket's music to come back any way you like, for different reasons."

Heh. I had previously been buddies along with their initial lead singer, when these people were doing party gigs...
posted by Samizdata at 2:25 have always been on May 17, 2015 [1 favorite]

I have a lowered back tattoo that i obtained within the belated 90s. I desired a tattoo somewhere it will be simple to conceal under clothing, and I avoided the hip/stomach explanation in the event of a potential future maternity. If you want a non-obvious tattoo maybe not on your own real ass that wont be potentially extended by maternity, back is actually probably the most practical choice. The complete tramp stamp slut shaming thing is a sad reflection of how our culture loves to judge women.
posted by emd3737 at 12:11 AM on May 18, 2015 [4 favorites]i recently watched the video clip skit inside article. It's hilarious! Uncertain whether it's even been commented on within thread.
posted by polymodus at 5:45 PM on May 19, 2015Last night we made a tattoo visit for next week. The original party dog will live on.

I keep returning for this thread hoping you will see an image with this. PARTY DOG.
posted by louche mustachio at 11:43 PM on 23, 2015 [3 favorites]

It's no celebration dog, but this past weekend i acquired the Buffalo banner tattoo We mentioned upthread.
posted by everyone had matching towels at 12:17 PM on May 27, 2015 [7 favorites]Ooh, that's exceptional!
posted by maxsparber at 12:18 PM may 27, 2015 [1 favorite]PARTY DOG UPDATE
posted by nadawi at 12:32 PM on 27, 2015 [4 favorites]PARTY puppy! PARTY DOG! PARTY DOG!
posted by louche mustachio at 2:30 PM on June 7, 2015 [3 favorites]

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